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Applea and pear trees

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  Posted by Tina (U14876030) on Friday, 20th May 2011

  Its me again - I have two small trees, one pear and one apple, they are two years old this year. Last year the pear tree had lots of blossom which dropped off and no fruit at all, my apple tree had lots of blossom and then apples which were like crab apples. This year I had loads of blossom on my pear tree and now have about pears growing but the rest of the blossom/sprouting pears dropped off. My Braeburn apple tree has what looks like an abundance of apples hopefully they will not be like crab apples this year. Could anyone tell me why all the blossom falls off my pear tree please and why the apples may be sour? Thanks again for any help/

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  Posted by Engineer (U3135859) on Saturday, 21st May 2011

  Hi Tina,
  Fruit trees shouldn't be allowed to fruit in their first year so that they can build a good root system, so all the flowers and young fruit dropping off was a good thing.
  You can let them fruit a little in the second year, but it is natural for the majority of the young fruit to drop-off. If there are too many fruit on any tree, young or old, they will not fully develop fully, so you will end up with fruit like crab-apples.
  You need to thin-out the fruit yourself, so that each branch (on a young tree like yours) is only carrying 2 or 3 apples/pears. Don't do that until late June though, as some will naturally fall during the 'June drop', when a fruit tree does it's own thinning.
  Have a look at the RHS, Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú and other sites on growing fruit trees, and perhaps get yourself a book, so you know how and when to prune, feed and thin fruit. There's quite a lot to it, especially with young trees, if you want them to do well later in their long life.
  
  
  Have fun! Bob

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  Posted by Tina (U14876030) on Saturday, 21st May 2011

  Thanks Bob, just glad it wasnt something I am doing incorrectly. I am enjoying every minute of it, experimenting with all sorts. Thanks for the advice. My pear tree as I said seems to have done its own thinning out, looking at the apple tree it seems to have spread out the apples that are on there but will keep an eye on them in June. Again, thanks for the advice, so great to have sites like this to help us novices.
  

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  Posted by punpun (U14553477) on Saturday, 21st May 2011

  Its me again - I have two small trees, one pear and one apple, they are two years old this year. Last year the pear tree had lots of blossom which dropped off and no fruit at all, my apple tree had lots of blossom and then apples which were like crab apples. This year I had loads of blossom on my pear tree and now have about pears growing but the rest of the blossom/sprouting pears dropped off. My Braeburn apple tree has what looks like an abundance of apples hopefully they will not be like crab apples this year. Could anyone tell me why all the blossom falls off my pear tree please and why the apples may be sour? Thanks again for any help/  Hi Tina,
  I agree with what Bobs said and to take it a little further, both apple and pear are not expected to be fully loaded (full harvest of fruit) until approx 7 years old,
  
  It's the roots underground that provide the fruit above ground & until the roots are strong and fully developed you wont have enough food fed up the tree to help the fruit grow,
  
  If your really keen you can aid the feeding of the root system by injecting feed through holes dug around the base of the tree's and inserting plastic 1ltr bottles into these holes (cut the bottom off the bottles & pour feed into the large end so with the cap removed and pointing down to the bottom of the hole the feed gets to the roots)
  For location of the ends of the root system, just stande back and look how far out the trees braches are and this is the location you need to make your feeding holes.
  
  By removing the fruit as Bob has said, you are also helping the tree's branches not to break due to the weight of to much fruit on them,
  But once the tree has fully formed this wont be such a problem & its then you'll be thinking of what to prune to help the tree's shape and size of fruit.
  
  The more fruit the smaller the fruit.
  
  I hope this little lot has helped you understand why you've not got any fruit worth talking about just now "But it's normal so dont be worring"
  Regards Punpun.

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  Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Monday, 23rd May 2011

  If there are too many fruit on any tree, young or old, they will not fully develop fully, so you will end up with fruit like crab-apples. 
  
  There are never too many fruit on a tree. The more the better.
  The only thing to worry about is that if the crop is very heavy indeed, that a branch will snap under the weight.
  
  If you train it for trusses and boughs that will not happen either.

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  Posted by As_Iff (U13951957) on Monday, 23rd May 2011

  I`m wondering which variety of pear you have, and also have you got a pollinating partner for your pear?
  Unless its a Conference, the blossom needs fertilising to produce a crop of pears.
  Same with the apple. Do you have the correct partner? It`s in pollination group 3.
  Also both your pear and the breaburn apple need a sunny, sheltered spot.
  If you live in the north, or in a spot that is a bit cold, breaburn is not the best choice.

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  Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Monday, 23rd May 2011

  I had what i thought was a biclonal pair of pears; thn one got smaller and smaller and eventually I thought i would lose the fruit from both when the one died.
  
  I waited until the year following the loss of the second tree, and hey presto, it is a splendid mono-clonal pear tree. It did not need the other pear at all.
  
  It fruits better and better every year, uncluttered by another.
  
  There is no other pear nearby, so it must be mono-clonal, self pollinating.

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  Posted by Tina (U14876030) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

  I had what i thought was a biclonal pair of pears; thn one got smaller and smaller and eventually I thought i would lose the fruit from both when the one died.
  
  I waited until the year following the loss of the second tree, and hey presto, it is a splendid mono-clonal pear tree. It did not need the other pear at all.
  
  It fruits better and better every year, uncluttered by another.
  
  There is no other pear nearby, so it must be mono-clonal, self pollinating.  They are both self pollinating trees, bought two years ago. They are both in large pots but I might put in the ground next year. I live in the midlands so weather moderate (except for this winter of course!!!) they are both in very sunny spots and well sheltered. I have put chicken manure on the top dressings early spring, should I feed with anything else?
  
  Thanks all for your help
  

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  Posted by Tina (U14876030) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

  I`m wondering which variety of pear you have, and also have you got a pollinating partner for your pear?
  Unless its a Conference, the blossom needs fertilising to produce a crop of pears.
  Same with the apple. Do you have the correct partner? It`s in pollination group 3.
  Also both your pear and the breaburn apple need a sunny, sheltered spot.
  If you live in the north, or in a spot that is a bit cold, breaburn is not the best choice.  I was told that they were both self pollinating (brought from Ideal World on the tele) they are "grafted" trees.... they do appear to be very healthy and the apples actually have quite a good colour as opposed to last years crop. Fingers crossed they can only get better - hopefully. Thanks for help.

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