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Hybrid Tea Rose pruning. New to roses

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  Posted by calculad (U3607616) on Monday, 9th January 2012

  I am getting conflicting advice on RHS and Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú websites about how to prune.
  I planted last year and they grew to about 2 ft high and flowered in first year.
  
  I believe that they are cut back quite short (4"-6" on RHS and 6"-9" on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú)
  I guess it probably doesn't matter that much in this range, but it's not made clear whether this is the distance from the ground or from the start of the new growth.
  PS they are on the allotment and I live on the Isle of Wight
  K

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  Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Monday, 9th January 2012

  I have checked the RHS site so I can get an idea of your problem-it does state from the base so the ground if that answers your question
  
  I would not be pruning just yet and not probably for another 4 weeks or so-I am just across the Solent from you-there is no rush-you know you should prune to an outward facing bud?

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  Posted by Tee Gee (U10012255) on Monday, 9th January 2012

  I think it is more about when you do it and how old the plants are.
  
  If in the autumn do not be too severe i.e.
  
  I think i terms of; leaving some dormant buds in reserve for any that might get damaged by frost.
  
  If doing it in spring then do this;

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  Posted by calculad (U3607616) on Monday, 9th January 2012

  Thanks for the reply.
  I'm sure something is not right here, because if I cut it 4-6" above ground level it will remove all of last years new growth and a bit more from the old wood.
  I did plant it at the same level as the container it came in.
  I must be missing something here (perhaps a brain) because it seems to me that if you cut it to a certain level above the soil every year you will always be cutting in the approx. same place. Heeeeeeelp.
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  Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Tuesday, 10th January 2012

  This is always a problem when you refer to a site even ones like the rhs of the bbc it can only give a general answer and it may not answer your particular dilemma
  
  Pruning roses is not difficult providing you keep it simple
  
  The idea is to remove the wood that wont flower ie the twiggy stuff and the dead and crossing branches and get it to a nice open shape-the point is you dont need to prune at all and you will still get flowers but all at the top-see my non-gardening neighbour- now that may mean pruning hard I dont know as I cannot see the bush.
  
  So simply prune out the unwanted stuff cut back to an out ward facing bud ,feed ,the rose will flower.
  
  There are lots of rose experts on this site who can give you much more comprehensive advice -perhaps one of those will pick this up
  
  

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  Posted by Tee Gee (U10012255) on Tuesday, 10th January 2012

  I'm sure something is not right here, because if I cut it 4-6" above ground level it will remove all of last years new growth and a bit more from the old wood.
  I did plant it at the same level as the container it came in. 
  
  I agree with Cody about general answers and each situation is to be treated on its own.
  
  The most important thing about pruning is not the height it is cut at, it is the number of buds that remain available to produce new growth after pruning that is key
  
  For example; A plant that has gone 'leggy' with new buds set widely apart would end up taller after pruning than a 'stumpy' plant where the buds are close together..
  
  Personally I count the buds, and do what Cody says;
  
  simply prune out the unwanted stuff cut back to an out ward facing bud ,feed ,the rose will flower. 
  
  Note; the unwanted stuff is usually stuff growing into the centre of the shrub, and this usually originates from inward facing buds under the outward facing bud you chose to prune to the previous year.
  
  In these cases there is not much you can do about this if you want to keep a tidy plant.
  
  I think I know how you feel about cutting away parts of your shrub/s ( I was there once) but roses are difficult to kill and if only one bud was left after pruning it would still carry on growing.
  
  OK it might not grow in the direction you wanted it to, but the important thing is;..........it is growing.
  
  I hope this explanation overcomes your reservations...Tg
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by Oldends (U13875463) on Tuesday, 10th January 2012

  There's always the cheat's method, a hedge-trimmer at knee height. But it does work!

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  Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 10th January 2012

  Pruning is done to maintain vigour so it's OK to cut back to teh same height each year as there will be new stems anyway. Just make sure you cut back to just above an outward facing bud on each stem you wish to keep and remove netirely all stems which are broken, crossing or diseased.
  
  I would also advise waiting till early March and giving the plants a good mulch of well rotted manure or garden compost and some blood, fish and bone to keep them healthy..

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