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Message 1.聽
Posted by punpun (U14553477) on Tuesday, 9th August 2011
Evening all,
Ive just been watching the news for the U.K and to say it's shocking whats going on ref riots and looting etc etc is an under statement.
If ever anyone needed insperation to get some peace "the offerings of nature" must b play a big part in this.
Walking, in the country, maybe a private place to think, it could be a visit to the cemitary to talk to love ones,
if possible time in your growing space,
Im lucky and i know it, because ive a garden i can escape the wow's of a lot of what's going on in the cities in the uk, and be in a world of my choosing,
I hope the word inspiration brings the idea's to garden, to grow not only the veg the flowers "But the mind of those who want insiration in their life".
Regards Punpun. -
Message 2
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
...riots and looting etc is an understatement...聽
Actually, that might be an overstatement.
In fact, last night and even this morning, 麻豆官网首页入口 News were continuing to replay scenes of a burning building from Monday night, because it was quiet in London.
Newsrooms need conflict. A world free of conflict would be a news editor's nightmare.
But, you're right, those young kids acting like hooligans because of increases in University tuition fees (a claim made by some left-wing politician) was disgraceful.
Would any of them prefer a walk in the country, and a quiet place to reflect? There's absolutely nothing preventing them. There are low cost holiday camping schemes for kids, and even community gardening schemes. But that's not as appealing as late-night shopping for plasma TVs, paid for by us.
Suggesting that nature provides a better example is actually dangerous. Because nature knows nothing about morality or rules. It's the survival of the fittest - take what you can get, which is the mantra of the hooligans.
In a way, the hooligans are practising right-wing behaviour, under the protection of soft left-wing attitudes.
In one clip on 麻豆官网首页入口 News these kids were described as 'feral rats'. I refrained from posting a request for solutions on the rats thread.
I was surprised by the occupations of some of those arrested - they were described as a graphic designer, a youth leader, etc, etc - a lot of things that you might not have expected. There seemed to be more than we being told. -
Message 3
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
The ideal punishment for consumerist youths. 12 months gardening and growing vegetables. They would never recover.
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Message 4
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Only 12 months?
Not long enough.
There is a prison that reguarly submits a garden at the RHS shows - the prisoners grow all the plants. -
Message 5
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Do they have enough space for a couple of hundred convicted "Blackberry Freedom" riotersr?
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Message 6
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Housing all these convicts will certainly present a challenge to government.
May I suggest a labour camp in the remote shire countryside [anywhere not near me], where they could do healthy open-air farm work, and learn some useful skills.
This is rather demeaning - to suggest that farmers (and gardeners) are on a parr with criminals.
Seriously though, Monty was actually involved in a rehabilitation scheme:
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Message 7
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Another Montyproject for Blackberry criminals!
12 months! -
Message 8
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Yes, I think that 12 months would be a suitable period for lesser offences.
If we could get these lads and ladettes committed by September, possibly using an existing farm as base, and then they could begin by tilling the land, and planting, then they could experience the complete cycle of growing crops, and harvest them next August, in time for their release.
And take a few blackberries home with them. -
Message 9
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Of course if I were a burgalar, I'd think now was the ideal time - with all the police being tied up in city centres.
I think whatever government will stand or fall depending on the support they give to police and firemen in this dreadful time. -
Message 10
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
There's a report in my local newespaper tonight about some Professor of Psychology who says that this is likely fizzle out, simply because the hooligans do not actually have an ideological 'cause'.
鈥淓veryone I鈥檝e heard interviewed has different opinions about the causes, whether it鈥檚 cuts, police harassment, unemployment, and the like. There鈥檚 clearly dissatisfaction, resentment and anger but it鈥檚 fairly non-specific so I can鈥檛 see it persisting.鈥
Let's hope he's right.
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Message 11
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
<quote> the complete cycle of growing crops, and harvest them next August, in time for their release.
And take a few blackberries home with them./quote>
The magistrates would laugh in to their beards too, (very serious matter),although is their maximum sentence not 6 months, so the idea, whilst brilliant, may be half baked as well?
Perhaps their sentences could be delayed until a more suitable moment in the growing season next year? -
Message 12
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Yes, I think that 12 months would be a suitable period for lesser offences.
If we could get these lads and ladettes committed by September, possibly using an existing farm as base, and then they could begin by tilling the land, and planting, then they could experience the complete cycle of growing crops, and harvest them next August, in time for their release.
And take a few blackberries home with them.聽 the complete cycle of growing crops, and harvest them next August, in time for their release.
And take a few blackberries home with them聽
The magistrates would laugh in to their beards too, (very serious matter),although is their maximum sentence not 6 months, so the idea, whilst brilliant, may be half baked as well?
Perhaps their sentences could be delayed until a more suitable moment in the growing season next year?
Police concern about crime, and its implications for the insurance market must be quite well researched sociologically. They are generally more concerned with the evidence needed for the Insurance claims, than they are with catching the criminals, especially if the criminal is elusive.
I mean ,if somebody njcked all your crops, dug 'em all out and took 'em home in a cardboard box, without a care in the world except for "Free"wouldn't you want some compensation too?
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Message 13
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
Some years ago, someone stole my strimmer and lawnmower from my greenhouse.
I had a police attendance, was able to give them serial nos from the guarantee documents.
yes I got a crime no. for insurance
But the same policeman rang about a week later to say he had been round the local second hand shops to see if he could spot them
They don't have the time now I know.
But everything should be reported - that's the info they use to allocate resources later on -
Message 14
Posted by punpun (U14553477) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
My opening remarks on this subject are not intended for the people causing these riots or taking part in looting etc,
Im talking about the normal people who have lost their jobs thanks to the burning of the buildings, the people living near to such area's, the people who'd like to enjoy a normal life and not expect to be in the sights of anyone who was thinking of mugging them or worse,
We all at times need our own space, "But not everyone has found the peace in the likes of gardening or the countryside as some of us have.
These are the people im talking about finding inspiration,
Regards Punpun -
Message 15
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
It was interesting to hear that the magistrates courts were sitting for 24hrs a day to deal with the offenders but that they were then bailed for some weeks to later appear at Crown Court for sentencing. Why aren't the Crown Courts also open 24hrs a day?
Is that classroom assistant, a role model I hear, also looking after your kids? -
Message 16
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
Why aren't the Crown Courts also open 24hrs a day?聽
As long as these people are remanded in custody, a few weeks in a cell might give them some time to think about things, and also help them to prepare their defense.
There was one 'defense' described on 麻豆官网首页入口 News this morning - a girl had put an iron bar through the window of a police car. Her explanation: she wanted to get inside the car for protection. I felt quite sorry for her. She seemed quite a creative and imaginative person. -
Message 17
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
Ah but they aren't usually remanded in custody but bailed to a Crown Court at a later date, Gary. It seems the magistrates have done their best with their limited powers to speed matters through but the Crown Courts - with guilty pleas, it should be just a matter of a judge sentencing the offender - they as usual dragging their heels. OK they need to rustle together a jury but that shouldn't take weeks.
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Message 18
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
... right ... at least you can see that I do not have first-hand experience of the system.
I haven't seen this reported yet on telly (though I haven't been glued to telly and may have missed it), but this is on the 麻豆官网首页入口 News website:
A similar article in the Daily Mail, which contains additional reporting, says that the government website hosting this project crashed due to overload ( ).
Possibly, the website may have been taken down intentionly. -
Message 19
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
she will laugh about that for the rest of her days even if she does get 18 months for it!
I seem to recall laughter from Porridge about people doing ten years but that is another matter, altogether.
I am acquainted with an ex-jail bird (wiped clean possibly with my help) and he
says it "did me the power of good" and thought it would do me the same, until he discovered that I am a retired lawyer.
I give him gentle guidance now but we have agreed that his motto is
"One good turn deserves another, bad one." A man has to earn a crust, even if it is only marginally lawful.
Perhaps we should list the criminal trades involved in gardening?
Growing tobacco?
Growing hemp?
Growing cocaine in the loft???
Selling old style weedkiller, now banned for reasons not to be mentioned!!? -
Message 20
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
Your crimes do have a certain theme to them. May I diversify:
Cutting hedges while birds are nest-building - truly criminal IMO.
Selling frog-spawn - you can get caught for this.
GBH over boundary issues.
Nuisance bonfires.
I saw a recent Cops program. They apprehended a lad in a town centre for carrying a chain saw: he claimed he was a gardener going to work.
Lots of scope for carrying various garden tools in a public place.
There's the famous Meon Hill pitchfork murder.
Growing Castor Oil plant (Ricinus) with intent.
Stocking up on 6 tons of fertiliser with intent - you must know that recent case - he claimed he was a farmer. -
Message 21
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Friday, 12th August 2011
Not wishing to push this topic too far, but I'd like to tell you about an item on Newsday. Newsday ( ) is an insomniac international edition of 麻豆官网首页入口 News. The program itself is not on iplayer.
Newsday had an interview with Bernard Kinsey, who headed a project after riots in Los Angeles some years ago. He was giving his views about the situation in London. More about Kinsey:
My spin on just one of his ideas: gang leaders are the most intelligent and aggressive members of a community. They are embryonic businessmen, who could turn their enthousiasm to creating useful jobs. This is not about funding 'makework' projects, such as municipal gardening, but making use of the natural talents of individuals to aid economic growth.
麻豆官网首页入口 Breakfast showed some clips of Cameron in Los Angeles (filmed 4 years ago), another person who helped with police methods there is an advisor. -
Message 22
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Friday, 12th August 2011
"Is that classroom assistant, a role model I hear, also looking after your kids?"
And don't forget that other classroom assistant who murdered 51 people on the London Underground.
Choice specimens. -
Message 23
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Friday, 12th August 2011
Is this a gardening subject either?!! It's even shouting!
Gardeners' chat about the world at large perhaps.
Unfortunatelty gang leaders who are good business men remain gang leaders, and not bona fide leaders, ie without any "good" will at al, but plenty of evil intent.
By the time a gang leader is a gang leader it is too late.
At comprehensive sometimes the big boys with no brains get singled out as trouble, and thus become troublesome. Their brothers usually become coppers. -
Message 24
Posted by saima_host (U13967342) on Monday, 15th August 2011
Hi everyone
please keep this thread on topic, otherwise we will have to close the discussion
Saima -
Message 25
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
To keep it open, even with the initial shout from afar, the londoner who started planting flowers in public places "without permission" , and whose work has spread throughout the world is surely the closest we will get to revolution in the garden (or more particularly out of it)
I can't recall the name of his anti-organisation for the moment. Can you help?
But if the 1500 odd candidates for the lock up were given community service to plant hanging baskets for Tottenham, or Peckham or Croydon, AND to ensure that they stay there, they would be doing their communities a very big favour indeed.
It might be difficult, with such extremes of Ethnic Yob culture, to ensure that the
hanging baskets were not used as nasty projectiles in the hot rioting month of August, but to go from folk Villain to community hero by guarding one's own hangin' baskets to the death, would surely be an accolade worth having, even for a lootin', riotin' rogue!
Certainly learning to garden in the lock up would do some of them a power of good, but while every middle class Brit has his second home in use for one montha year for the sake of his old age savings, not one of them would ever be able or want to find himself a plot of land in the country or an allotment, near his home. Is there a colour bar on the allotments of the UK?
Life near Kingston Jamaica, may be quite satisfying, but at a hard subsistence level. Easier and better life perhaps to migrate to the UK and subsist by doing nothing at all for several generations.
There are things about the choices their forefathers made, coming to london as bus and underground drivers and things in the 1950s, which were carefully considered, but the possibility of their having a plot in UK like their ancestors and cousins may still have a plot in the West Indies, has surely never been considered.
Travellers in the Uk migrate to value properties in Spain and Portugal for a new life, financed by their mums and dads, but the only thing a WI emigre might be able to do is return to the soil in those Caribbean islands.
Riot and revolution so closely akin to primitivism, and avowedly anarchistic,
may be very effectively channelled in to creative horticultural enterprise.
Moving to a big city anywhere in the world, Africa included, generally puts an end to any such thoughts.
Those who have moved from the country to the town, have arrived, are successful, return to their villages as heroes, returned from glorious success.
The Spanish are more practical , mainly due to transhumance over the centuries; they desert their villages completely, and don't pretend that they have a huge value, in anything except a spiritual and religious sense, returning for two or three days in August every year to say prayer and attend religious ceremonies in their ancestral villages. -
Message 26
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
To keep it open, even with the initial shout from afar, the londoner who started planting flowers in public places "without permission" , and whose work has spread throughout the world is surely the closest we will get to revolution in the garden (or more particularly out of it)
I can't recall the name of his anti-organisation for the moment. Can you help?
But if the 1500 odd candidates for the lock up were given community service to plant hanging baskets for Tottenham, or Peckham or Croydon, AND to ensure that they stay there, they would be doing their communities a very big favour indeed.
It might be difficult, with such extremes of Ethnic Yob culture, to ensure that the
hanging baskets were not used as nasty projectiles in the hot rioting month of August, but to go from folk Villain to community hero by guarding one's own hangin' baskets to the death, would surely be an accolade worth having, even for a lootin', riotin' rogue!
Certainly learning to garden in the lock up would do some of them a power of good, but while every middle class Brit has his second home in use for one montha year for the sake of his old age savings, not one of them would ever be able or want to find himself a plot of land in the country or an allotment, near his home. Is there a colour bar on the allotments of the UK?
Life near Kingston Jamaica, may be quite satisfying, but at a hard subsistence level. Easier and better life perhaps to migrate to the UK and subsist by doing nothing at all for several generations.
There are things about the choices their forefathers made, coming to london as bus and underground drivers and things in the 1950s, which were carefully considered, but the possibility of their having a plot in UK like their ancestors and cousins may still have a plot in the West Indies, has surely never been considered.
Travellers in the Uk migrate to value properties in Spain and Portugal for a new life, financed by their mums and dads, but the only thing a WI emigre might be able to do is return to the soil in those Caribbean islands.
Riot and revolution so closely akin to primitivism, and avowedly anarchistic,
may be very effectively channelled in to creative horticultural enterprise.
Moving to a big city anywhere in the world, Africa included, generally puts an end to any such thoughts.
Those who have moved from the country to the town, have arrived, are successful, return to their villages as heroes, returned from glorious success.
The Spanish are more practical , mainly due to transhumance over the centuries; they desert their villages completely, and don't pretend that they have a huge value, in anything except a spiritual and religious sense, returning for two or three days in August every year to say prayer and attend religious ceremonies in their ancestral villages.
Understanding the soil resolves the August frustration with cities! Go there again! do that Chairman Mao was no fool, with his compulsory patriation to the country, and rural work,in their case for a whole year. -
Message 27
Posted by lottiebeans (U12886223) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
The people who go round planting stuff in any available piece of soil in London and other cities call themselves guerrilla gardeners. Sometimes its flowers and sometimes its edible crops.
Lottie -
Message 28
Posted by Papa Nopsis (U14479902) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
(guerilla gardening)
Thank you Lottie.
Being a guerilla and being an anarchist/primitivist are two very different ideas, but the result might be the same!!
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