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Mary Beard focuses on other worlds, by talking to cultural creatives who make them for our exploration and delight. Mary talks to Booker Prize winner Marlon James about his Dark Star trilogy that turns the fantasy genre on his head. David Greig, artistic director of Edinburgh鈥檚 Lyceum Theatre, takes us on a quest to ancient woodland where appealing to the spirits seems completely rational during a pandemic. And if tarot cards, crystals, seances and witchcraft are growing in popularity, what鈥檚 at the root of this culture? Mary debates with magic expert Professor Chris Gosden, scientist Richard Wiseman and journalist Zing Tsjeng: is mysticism enjoying a revival, or has it always been more popular than she imagines?