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As the death toll has grown in Ukraine, western governments and multi-national companies have hit back with unprecedented economic and business sanctions. The aim is to hit the country deeply in its pockets as well as targeting the global assets of Russia's elites.

In this episode, Ben Thomson talks to a sanctions lawyer who advises companies and individuals on how to navigate the threat of sanctions, an adviser to the American government who has been formulating the sanctions strategy, and the boss of DTEK, Ukraine's largest private energy supplier about keeping the power on, even as the country comes under attack.