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Like many interracial couples during the growth of the Black Lives Matter movement, Bongi and Matt found themselves talking about race in a different way. They鈥檇 never really talked about racism as an institution or what it meant for their marriage, until now.

In this episode the questions dig deep into it. Bongi speaks up about how she was taught about slavery and colonialism and how that shapes her attitudes today. Matt talks about how witnessing racism in his schooldays has stuck with him into adulthood.

This week鈥檚 other questions challenge the couple to discuss their understanding of white guilt and acknowledge how terms like that make them feel, as why Bongi finds herself explaining that she didn鈥檛 play with elephants as a child!

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