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Songs To Live By is a podcast celebrating different generations of Black culture through a shared love of music. Host Vick Hope is joined by two guests, who grew up at different times, to share the songs that shaped their lives.

In this episode, Vick is joined by rapper Avelino and poet Roger Robinson to talk language, lyrics and learning to love poetry, Fidel Castro, and who wears the crown - Biggie or 2pac?

Avelino is noted for his lyrical, melodic approach to rapping. Roger Robinson is a poet and musician. His book A Portable Paradise won both the 2019 T. S. Eliot Prize for poetry and the Royal Society of Literature鈥檚 Ondaatje Prize 2020.

Producer: Cecile Wright