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This week on the Outriders podcast we have a long chat with Kevin Poulsen about his new book . The story follows the work of grey-hat hacker Max Butler, also known as Max Vision, through the world of hacking for good into profit based dealing of credit card dealing.

The book shows a change in the atmosphere of hacking from a bedroom activity based on curiosity and technical know-how to a darker and sometimes violent business. Kevin talks us through those changes and how law enforcement officers manage to penetrate the circles of those involved.

Kevin Poulsen has his own experience with hacking of course and discusses how 鈥渉acking鈥� is now so diverse in it鈥檚 definition that it is not easy to use it as a blanket term. He also indulges us with a brief look at how hackers are portrayed in film adaptations that include their varied skills.

Kingpin reads like a thriller based on actual events and shows great depth of understanding for the craft as well as the people who were eventually caught and paid for their actions.

Kevin is a senior editor at Wired.com, running the blog as well as holding a reputation as a great investigative reporter covering cyber-crime in its many forms.

The book is out now for those who are curious to learn how their information could end up with people willing to trade that data for money.

As usual you can tell us more about what you have been creating or indeed what you have found online that you think we should know more about. Email me at Outriders at bbc dot co dot uk, send word to us on Twitter where we are or search for Outriders on Facebook where you can join our discussions.

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Until next week! ~ Jamillah.