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Wet Wednesday, White Thursday?

Ian Fergusson | 09:08 UK time, Wednesday, 17 February 2010

UPDATE 07:00HRS, FRI. 19 FEB. 2010:
It's a final update for this particular blog entry - and I suspect there'll be some further lively (and potentially disruptive)Ìýweather toÌýforecast and discussÌýat times next week, too, especially Wednesday but perhaps through Monday, too.

Meanwhile - I thought I'd share with you some moreÌýphotos sent to us here at Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú West of yesterday's snowfall. Thanks very much to those of you who took time to send these to us!

The first (below) shows treacherous road conditions at Wiveliscombe in Somerset, taken by Anna Corbett.Ìý

The second - taken by Linda Atkins - shows the depth of snow near herÌýhome in Cutcombe/Wheddon Cross on Exmoor - "about 5 inches", she tells us, asÌýher photo quite clearly testifies!

Picture 3 is from Cam, near Dursley, Gloucestershire - taken by ´³´Ç³ó²ÔÌý²Ñ²¹³¦±ð of the snow that fell in his back garden yesterday.

The 4th photo, from Alison Napier, clearly shows the amount of heavy snow that draped the Brendon Hills of Somerset throughout yesterday. A Winter Wonderland indeed!

Photo 5, taken by Frances Ring, illustrates very well how much snow fell yesterday across the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire. Her photo - taken this morning at daybreakÌýin Shortstanding - looks over Joyford, towards Edge End. "We had about six inches of snow here," Frances tells us.

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UPDATE 12:30HRS, THURS. 18 FEB. 2010:
The snow is falling thick and fast here in Bradley Stoke, South Gloucestershire, as I write - and it's now quite readily settling after a somewhat hesitant start. However, it will take a fairly prolonged spell of similar intensity to really stick with any longevity -Ìýnot least on the main roads, where this wet snow is quickly turning to slush (and creating a lot of standing water on some routes).

Our expectation is for further snow to fall on-and-offÌýbetween now and mid-evening for a number of areas in West Somerset (Exmoor), Bristol, B&NES, South Glos.,Ìýmuch of GloucestershireÌýand North Wiltshire.Ìý However, for a while the snow prospect will very much depend on the intensity of the precipitation (i.e., heavierÌýspells helping bring the Wet Bulb Freezing Level down to low level, through a process of evaporational cooling).Ìý Towards the evening rush-hour, snow could prove more widespread - certainly across Gloucestershire - and I'd imagine the return journey home for many commutersÌýon various routes such as the A417 across the Cotswolds couldÌýbecome decidely tricky in places.

The graphic below shows the UKMO's expectations of snowfall by 6pm this evening. Those of you who have followed this blog entry since the start will note how little the overall geographic story and timelineÌýhas changed from original forecast predictions; indeed the Met Office's pinpointing and warningÌýof this event has been very good, in my opinion.

snowfall-thurs-18z.jpgUPDATE 10:00HRS, THURS. 18 FEB. 2010:
Many thanks to Chris Binding of Luxborough, Exmoor, who just sent me this photo showing the amount of snow already settled in his district - he estimates around 10cm (4 inches) in places already!

Snow in Luxborough, Exmoor, photographed by Chris Binding
UPDATE 09:00HRS, THURS. 18 FEB. 2010:
The snow is now falling thick and fast in Bristol, Bath and environs... but whether it will readily settle is another matter! We shall see... I'm sure it will settle in S. Glos and Gloucestershire.


UPDATE 08:10HRS, THURS. 18 FEB. 2010:
A quick update in between radio broadcasts!Ìý The forecast evolution today follows largely the pattern already outlined below - perhaps somewhat less in terms of snow totals expected but essentiallyÌýthe same story, soÌýthe early warnings remain in force.

We've just had reliable reports of snow falling in Exmoor (already 3-4cm in places); ditto Porlock, West Somerset - causing some traffic problems there - plus parts of the Forest of Dean and around Bath. So the process of seeing rain turn to sleet and snow is already underway for some areas.

If you can report on any snowfall in your own areas today, please feel free to do so hereÌýon the blog - I'm ensuring these reliable reports are fed back to colleagues at Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú Weather Centre and to the Chief Forecaster at the Met Office Operations Centre in Exeter. It's all very helpful in honing the forecast detail!

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UPDATE 19:40HRS, WED. 17 FEB. 2010:
At this stage we can startÌýto offer a bit more forecast detail on the likely snow amounts expected during Thursday across the region...

These synthesised estimates (and I stress estimates)Ìýare based on the Met Office's high-resolution modelling (UKPP) of fresh snow depths by 9pm tomorrow evening. It'll be a rather narrow band ofÌýheavy / disruptiveÌýsnow developingÌý- hence many areas across the West CountryÌýwill see little or nothing from this; others, converselyÌý(especially, I suspect, parts of W. Glos) will see quite a bit. I'm still leaning towards this being a predominantly Gloucestershire / NW of M4 corridor event in terms of truly disruptive snow.... there's still time to be proven wholly wrong, however!Ìý Anyway, here's those estimates:

Somerset: Lowland areas seeing predominantly rain to a dusting of snowÌý(0.1cm). Exmoor: 5-10cm. Quantocks: Up to 5cm. Mendips: 2-5cm but variable (UKPP suggests very little here and over Blackdowns, surprisingly).

Dorset: Lowland areas only rain or a dusting; upland areas of West Dorset up to 5cm

North Somerset: 1-2cm; but very variable with some areas seeing only a dusting

Bristol & environs: 1-5cm (greatest in northern districts and potential for >5cm)

Bath & NE Somerset: 1-5cm (greatest in northwest districts)

Wiltshire: Very patchy coverage; rain and sleet for many but up to 2cm in northwest

South Gloucestershire: 2-5cm, possiblyÌý>5cm locally to north and across highest ground

Gloucestershire: Forest of Dean especially prone; 5-10cm or more possible here and across towards Gloucester, Tewkesbury and Cheltenham. South Cotswolds: 2-5cm; North Cotswolds: 5cm fairly widely; 5-10cm in NE districts.

The images below shows how the latest Met Office NAE model - shown here in Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú graphics representation - takes the risk of snowfall across aÌýnumber of districts up into the Midlands into the evening rush-hour and towards 9pm:

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latest-fcast21zThurs.jpgUPDATE 15.45HRS, WED. 17 FEB. 2010:
There's growing continuity in the general weather developments tomorrow, if the midday NAE run is to be believed. However, some uncertainty existsÌýover just how cold (orÌý not)Ìýthe air will be at lower levels during the earlier part of morning. The idea of snow starting to fall much later in the morning - towards midday - is still the most likely outcome.

The Met Office early warnings cover a fair swathe of the West Country's more northerly districts, albeit I'm yet to be wholly convinced about the risk of any significant snow for North Somerset (Mendips aside), Bristol and lowland adjacent areas... I wouldn't be at allÌýsurprised if the transition from rain to snow lies somewhere a bit further north, such as across the Forest of Dean and southern Cotswolds, but I'll keep you updated on any views - divergent or otherwise -Ìýfrom the Met Office!

In any event, as I'm broadcasting our breakfast TV and local radio weather output throughout tomorrow morning, it'll be my ownÌýforecasting headache to tackle!

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UPDATE 11:00HRS, WED. 17 FEB. 2010:
The latest NAE assessment this morningÌý-ÌýcompletedÌýsince I wrote the original blog below -Ìýrepeats the snow risk across broadly the same districts and suggests tomorrow's events could prove quite disruptive and noteworthy.Ìý

Consequently, early warnings (>60% chance of severe weather)Ìýhave now been issued by the Met Office for the following parts of the West Country: N. Somerset, B&NES, Bristol, S. Glos. and Glos.Ìý

Advisories remain in force for Somerset and Wiltshire.

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(ORIGINAL ENTRY FOLLOWS)

The second half of this week is a forecasting headache - not least the next 48 hours, as we keep a close eye on the potential for further snow.

And possibly quite a lot... at least for some areas.

Today's wet weather also has theÌýpotential to turn wintry as it spreads northwards across upland Gloucestershire, albeit we're expecting any significant snowfall duringÌýthis afternoonÌýto appear largely up into East Wales, the Marches, parts of the West Midlands and towards Manchester. So for most of the West Country, bar some rather fleeting spells of wet snow and sleet,Ìýit's effectivelyÌýa wet Wednesday...

But what about a white Thursday? Tricky for the detail, this one!

'On paper'Ìýat least, the ingredients areÌýin place to bring a swathe of snowfall - potentially significant amounts - into areas from around Bristol, Bath & CardiffÌýnorthwards into Gloucestershire, the West Midlands and across to LincolnshireÌýas a frontÌýpivots itself across England, associated with an area of low pressure centred - by around midday Thursday - somewhere around Lyme Bay.

It's important to note that different forecast models handle the associated snow risk to varying degrees.ÌýSome underplay it considerably.

The Met Office's NAE (North Atlantic Evolution) modelÌý- - offers a distinctly pessimistic outcome (unless you are a snow aficionado!) compared to various other computer solutions.

The chart below, generated from our bespokeÌýÌýbroadcast graphics system, replicates how the Met Office model paints a snowy story developing across a number of districts by 6pm on Thursday.Ìý

snowfall-prediction_thursday-180210.jpgIt actually begins to turn rain to snow from around late morning onwards in the same broad area, aided by a distinctly chilly - and foggy -Ìýstart to the day, as temperatures fall readily tonight toÌý0C even in the centre of Bristol and other large urban areasÌýand more like -1 to -3C out in the countryside.Ìý

I've annotated the zone where heaviest (and perhaps newsworthy)Ìýsnowfall is possible; with over 10cm signalled in a few spots but stress this is highly speculative - we're awaiting further runs of the model to see what level of continuity it provides (or not).Ìý As you'd rightly expect, the Met Office will not upgrade the for this potential event to an early warnings until we're seeing the 'whites of it's eyes' -Ìýliterally!

And yes - as ever - I'll update you later today based on any new analysis and forecast expectations... will this one become a damp squib or a whiteout?

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    thanks Ian, for the detailed update. looks similar, in terms of actual 'sweetspots', to last February - may change slightly by tomorrow i guess.

  • Comment number 2.

    Hi Ian
    Just a quick note to say how much I appreciate your weather blog. Been really useful and very informative these past few weeks.
    Thanks for taking the time to keep us up to date at times of interesting weather in our region and for sharing some of the 'tools of the trade' to explain how our weather is forecasted.
    Tim

  • Comment number 3.

    Hi BristleSi - yes, some similarities and once again with the likes of Bristol, Bath and just southwards into Somerset and NW Wilts probably proving marginal for any noteworthy snow. That's NOT to rule it out, I stress - as the UKMO Early Warning duly attests(!) - but I would not be surprised to see the next NAE run shift the 'at risk' emphasis just a tad further north. But frankly a few miles will make a big difference in this set-up and it has all the makings of a forecasting nightmare tomorrow morning... (roll-on those summer anticyclones, says a rather weary weatherman)...
    Best, Ian

  • Comment number 4.

    Hi Tim - Many thanks for your kind comments; much appreciated. I safely anticipate that just as many folk in our region - by tomorrow evening - will be whining how we got this one wrong for their locality, versus an equal number for whom it will prove spot-on. Exactly where is the problem.... but we'll do our best to hone it all by daybreak!
    Cheers, Ian

  • Comment number 5.

    Currently heavy rain in the Bath area at city level with a few flakes of snow mixed in. Really is trying hard to snow and is probably falling as snow on Lansdown which I can't see from my office right now as visibility is so poor.

  • Comment number 6.

    Morning Ian-The clag is right down on the hill here in Nympsfield and drizzle with sleety bits is falling. The 0830 radar shows an ominous red area around Bath, where I've just been told 'it's snowing heavily'. Oh dear! Thanks for sharing the forecasting background with us.

  • Comment number 7.

    We had heavy wet snow here for about half an hour, with huge flakes. However as the precipitation intensity has decreased, there has been a transition back to sleet; we currently have fine rain with a few flakes mixed in.

  • Comment number 8.

    Nice picture Ian. Certainly doesn't look like that in Bath with steady to heavy rain falling for the past hour and a half though I can now see the hills of Lansdown which look a little white. Will update again later if this rain ever turns to steady snow. Tim

  • Comment number 9.

    Thanks for the updates Ian. I'm a real fan of your blog! It has been a rather damp morning here in Wiltshire. In the heavier bursts of rain there has been a little bit of sleet but nothing to get too excited about. I'm hoping we'll see a light covering of snow later in the day but I guess that's unlikely!

  • Comment number 10.

    Hi all - thanks very much for all the feedback and very helpful comments / observations from your respective areas! Just to re-stress (as per my last update) that with ever-colder air becoming entrained at lower levels with the precipitation this afternoon and early evening, it's quite possible some districts could see some problems developing. I've highlighted this risk especially for parts of Glos throughout the blog and see no reason to change this geographical bias - but if you see any traffic problems in your own areas, do feed them onto the blog. Thousands of people read it when the weather gets dicy (well over 20,000 individual users did the last time it snowed!) and so your on-the-ground observations will prove very handy for many, I am sure! Best wishes, Ian

  • Comment number 11.

    Huge variation in snow/rainfall amounts locally. Just in from driving down to Stroud and back via Frocester.

    Heavy snow and difficult driving locally here in Nympsfield, but just rain and no sign of snow on Selsley Common-2 miles away but 100' or so lower (often a notorious spot when it snows) Rain in Stroud.

    Rain again through the villages at the foot of the north facing Cotswold scarp below Nympsfield, then,2 miles on, heavy snow and touch-and-go whether we'd make it back up Frocester Hill, my 2-wheel drive just maintaining enough traction.



  • Comment number 12.

    Hi Ian! :-)

    Interesting day here in Wareham, i noticed yesterday, GFS was showing some convectivity in parts of the South with some decent-ish CAPE and negative LI, which has resulted in some billowing Cumulus, large convective rain drops and some hail thrown in. It's already reminding me of Spring (With the sunshine) despite temps hovering around the 8°C mark here. Classic day.

  • Comment number 13.

    Superb photos! We did end up getting a little snow here. Yesterday evening a few flurries allowed some snow to build up on car windscreens. I measured 18mm of rain (plus some hail, sleet & snow) during the day yesterday.

  • Comment number 14.

    Yesterday drove back from Kent through pouring rain to the surprising news of snow in Gloucestershire; my fellow ice road truckers left work early to ensure a safe journey home. This morning set off with some trepidation along the A417 but generally clear although the fields had certainly had a dusting from Cirencester westwards. Not looking forward to next week!

  • Comment number 15.

    A quick addition - the snow threat could well return again through Monday morning. Still a good deal of uncertainty, I must stress, but sufficient concern that Met Office advisories are now on their website. These cover a broad swathe of the West Country but I'm looking again at Gloucestershire being in the firing-line especially. I'll endeavour to write a new blog entry to track the developments for you all! Ian

  • Comment number 16.

    We certainly seem to be having more than our fair share of snow in Gloucestershire this year. Next week will be interesting. The model output seems very volatile at the moment; good luck with the forecasts!

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