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Argentine Ecstasy

celina_hinchcliffe2.gif AUFSCHALKE STADIUM, GELSENKIRCHEN - I've just watched the most beautiful football of my life at the AufSchalke stadium. against Serbia and Montenegro.
The stands were full of banners proclaiming Messi as the new Maradona - both their pictures side by side.

Argentina were mesmeric even without their little "flea", as they call him. Sorin, Riquelme, Rodriguez - they were telepathic out there.

And when 18-year-old finally came on in the 74th minute, the ground erupted and he delivered. They nearly raised the roof - and there is a roof to raise at . , a hard task wearing all that heavy jewellry.

I watched the game from the 麻豆官网首页入口 commentary box so was lucky enough to hear Jonathan Pearce throughout the match. British commentary is something you miss being away from home.

Having seen Brazil against Croatia the other night, on that showing the World Champions don't compare with this Argentina team - but there's still a long way to go.

I interviewed the Wigan manager Paul Jewell after the game for tonight's highlights programme and he said it was the best football he had seen in his lifetime. This evening, the crew and I are going to the fan park in Gelsenkirchen to record some vox pops with Argentine fans, no doubt they shall be partying into the small hours.

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  • 1.
  • At 07:19 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • David Johnson wrote:

I麓m an Englishman living in Buenos Aires and it麓s a great place to be right now with fire crackers banging in the streets around me. Argentina麓s performance was the fruit of the passsionate football culture that embraces this country and it麓s great people. That my friends was football.

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  • 2.
  • At 07:20 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • David Johnson wrote:

I麓m an Englishman living in Buenos Aires and it麓s a great place to be right now with fire crackers banging in the streets around me. Argentina麓s performance was the fruit of the passsionate football culture that embraces this country and it麓s great people. That my friends was football.

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  • 3.
  • At 07:24 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • naeem wrote:

Argentina look to be the favourites after that awesome display. They looked untroubled and so organised. It will be hard for anyone else to beat them in this kind of form. BRILLIANT!!!

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  • 4.
  • At 07:29 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Roberto Lhopital wrote:

I'm Argentine, and I enjoy talking about football only with the people that really understand and love this game. Certainly, you Brithish do. Great media and postings. Hope Argentina crosses its path again with the English. The World Cup would not be complete without it...

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  • 5.
  • At 07:31 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Diego wrote:

I麓m an Argentinian man who lives in Buenos Aires. We really enjoyed our team performance. Like you said, today we saw one of the most beautiful football games in the World Cup history. And I think that this is what our boys will show until the end of the cup. Maybe Brazil, maybe England.. who knows, but today Argentina demonstrate huge skills; "here we are and we came to make some noise".

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  • 6.
  • At 07:37 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

NO body thought that Argentina would do well in this world cup and that is
perhaps why Argentina could play so well without any pressure. Tonight, fans of
Argentina are celebrating in every corner of Bangladesh and a tea seller in
Dhaka
discount. Hopefully, in the
next game Argentina will play even better.

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  • 7.
  • At 07:43 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • valerian wrote:

Argentina showed the other supposedly great teams how football is really played.. I am Indian but My heart beats for Argentina.. absolutely awesome.. god bless u argentina..

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  • 8.
  • At 07:49 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • webber wrote:

Yes Argentina showed some lovely skill but Serbia & Montenegro didn't even try to close them down. Take the second goal - in most of the build-up you could have painted the Serbia & Montenegro players green and it would have looked like Argentina were just having a kick-about on their own. Its not hard to string lots of passes together when there is no opposition, calm down Lineker!

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  • 9.
  • At 07:52 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • dj wrote:

O to be a single man in Argentina tonight!

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  • 10.
  • At 07:56 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • zanail wrote:

Maybe it's Argentina's turn for world campions. Only saw the first 20 mins but it was just beautiful.

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  • 11.
  • At 07:57 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Roberto Lhopital wrote:

Not that easy DJ, it is easier at soho, even today. That's why I like London...

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  • 12.
  • At 07:58 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • manju wrote:

for me argentina displayed array of soccer skills..be it passing,finishing and frustrating the oposition..bring on england,brazil :)i am amazd by the young talent this team has and their level of performance...i hope they go as far as possible this time

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  • 13.
  • At 08:00 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Domenic P wrote:

I waiting for Argentina to meet Italy that will be the game to watch in the world cup 2006. I really like Argentina but I am of Italian Decent so Viva Italia. I really enjoyed the Argentina game today, Great showing.
I need to add one more comment BRASIL WHO?

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  • At 08:01 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Domenic P wrote:

I waiting for Argentina to meet Italy that will be the game to watch in the world cup 2006. I really like Argentina but I am of Italian Decent so Viva Italia. I really enjoyed the Argentina game today, Great showing.
I need to add one more comment BRASIL WHO?

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  • 15.
  • At 08:01 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

I was unable to see most of the game [Ivory Coast VS Netherlands] because of problems with work. I saw the last minutes with the Netherlands defeating the Ivory Coast 2 to 1.

Congradulations to the Netherlands for their victory.

My fear is that the Ivory Coast staked their hopes for peace on winning the World Cup. I just hope that at least having participated, they could use that as a steeping stone for peace.

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  • 16.
  • At 08:03 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Tim Knowles wrote:

Right, tough to be an English man and heap too much praise on the Argentinians (we all know there is "history" between us on footballing terms!). But I'll tell you this, I have been blessed with the chance to watch every minute of every game so far. And that, was the best performance of the tournament. Totally accomplished, and frighteningly strong throughout the squad. Messi and Tevez on the bench - you're having a laugh! Be afraid the rest of the world, be very afraid.

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  • 17.
  • At 08:04 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Domenic Pronesti wrote:

I waiting for Argentina to meet Italy that will be the game to watch in the world cup 2006. I really like Argentina but I am of Italian Decent so Viva Italia. I really enjoyed the Argentina game today, Great showing.
I need to add one more comment BRAZIL WHO?

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  • 18.
  • At 08:05 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • arinze okonkwo wrote:

I've been privileged to watch every game of this world cup, and once again, Argentina have shown us that the world cup is about big performances not just big names. They have sent out a strong message to the rest of the teams in the world cup. The most beautiful part of their performance today was the balance in the squad. They were not lacking in any department today, and even after taking the foot off the pedal, still scored three more goals in the second half. They are building a lot of momentum, and at this rate, even Brazil will have a tough time matching up. England need to go back to the basics of football and find their true rhythm. Rather than believing all the hype about their individual quality, they need to start playing as a team and stop punting the ball to Crouch. They should base their game on a team like Arsenal rather than Bolton - quick passing football rather than just punting the ball from the defence to the strikers, because quite frankly, its dizzy watching a tennis game on a football pitch. Ecuador have played the most impressive football at this world cup, after Argentina and Spain, and i'll bet my house on them easily beating England in the second round should they meet. Argentina vs. Spain in the finals anyone?

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  • 19.
  • At 08:06 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • arinze okonkwo wrote:

I've been privileged to watch every game of this world cup, and once again, Argentina have shown us that the world cup is about big performances not just big names. They have sent out a strong message to the rest of the teams in the world cup. The most beautiful part of their performance today was the balance in the squad. They were not lacking in any department today, and even after taking the foot off the pedal, still scored three more goals in the second half. They are building a lot of momentum, and at this rate, even Brazil will have a tough time matching up. England need to go back to the basics of football and find their true rhythm. Rather than believing all the hype about their individual quality, they need to start playing as a team and stop punting the ball to Crouch. They should base their game on a team like Arsenal rather than Bolton - quick passing football rather than just punting the ball from the defence to the strikers, because quite frankly, its dizzy watching a tennis game on a football pitch. Ecuador have played the most impressive football at this world cup, after Argentina and Spain, and i'll bet my house on them easily beating England in the second round should they meet. Argentina vs. Spain in the finals anyone?

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  • 20.
  • At 08:09 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

Don't want to sound creepy but thank god the 麻豆官网首页入口 were covering that game. Showing the complete build-up to THAT GOAL no less than three times almost makes me want to pay my license fee. ITV are a stinking streak of sick on the side of the road in comparison.

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  • 21.
  • At 08:09 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • cold alex wrote:

Ok I take my hat off to Argentina for that one and I feel less enmity towards them for the hand of God etc ; enmity has turned into grudging admiration for the first time in decades. Otherwise spare a thought for the valiant Ivory Coast who were kicked off the park by the Dutch who didn't deserve to win. There should have been a penalty or a sending off in favour of the Ivory Coast!

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  • 22.
  • At 08:15 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Rehan wrote:

Wow.

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  • 23.
  • At 08:17 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • kuanglee wrote:

No doubt, Argentina will win this tournament.

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  • 24.
  • At 08:20 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Seb Martinelli wrote:

From an exiliated Argentinian in Canada, who has been frustrated at Argentina's performances in the last 15 years, I am delighted to see the team back with its heart in the field. The team has finally gave up betting on individuals' skills and is now playing as a real TEAM. Pekerman is orchestrating his games like Kasparov in chess! And the players are understanding their roles brilliantly! Delicious!

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  • 25.
  • At 08:21 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • ashfaq wrote:

You will not see better goals than those scored by Argentina. They were walking all over Serbia & Montenegro. Loved that match I just loved the game from start , young talented players , I think our english team needs game plan and disipline , they need to pass like argies did , and always stay in attack , 1 thing about argies , they never gave up , till the last minute they were upto attack but incase of england they usually think the job is done.

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  • 26.
  • At 08:23 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • pete. wrote:

Hi, The latest national sport seems to be doing England down. Granted they haven't shone so far but anyone who has played the game knows how difficult it is to beat teams who get eleven men behind the ball.As for Argentina, England had their best game against them in Japan and Referee Neilson robbed them of victory in France '98 where Simione took on the cheating role previously held by Maradonna. We have nothing to fear from Argentina.

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  • 27.
  • At 08:23 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • ashfaq wrote:

Come on England show the world and revise the history :)

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  • 28.
  • At 08:25 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

I'm an Argertinean living in Buenos Aires not far from the Obelisk. I agree with David's comment completely. I am no expert in football, but I'd like to say I've seen a beautiful match and team today. It is true we are fairly passionate people, yet the team showed quite a good balance between will and wits among all players.
We all remember Maradona's 1986 glorious goal (I mean the one unaided by God). That goal probably went down in history as the best single player's performance. Let me suggest Cambiasso's goal today for best team performance ever. If keeping the ball over 20 passes doesn't make it a memorable team goal, please tell me what does it?
It is indeed too early to forecast a winner team, but one thing is certain, many coaches will record this match and use it as teaching material for future generations of champions. Well done today, Argentina. It was magic. I enjoyed every minute of it and look forward to next Wednesday.

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  • 29.
  • At 08:27 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • ashfaq wrote:

I think that second goal was the second greatest goal I have ever seen in a World Cup. And Brazil in 1970 only beats it because of Pele's pass and Alberto's finish and against best defence of Italy :P what do you say

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  • 30.
  • At 08:28 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Mitch wrote:

I was more impressed by their win against Ivory Coast (a far better team than Serbia), it showed they can defend too.
They attack and defend using speed like no other team.
All my life I liked Argentina, I hope they win the WC.
I'm from Romania, I guess they have more fans now.
Mitch

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  • 31.
  • At 08:28 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

I'm an Argentinean living in Buenos Aires not far from the Obelisk. I agree with David's comment completely. I am no expert in football, but I'd like to say I've seen a beautiful match and team today. It is true we are fairly passionate people, yet the team showed quite a good balance between will and wits among all players.
We all remember Maradona's 1986 glorious goal (I mean the one unaided by God). That goal probably went down in history as the best single player's performance. Let me suggest Cambiasso's goal today for best team performance ever. If keeping the ball over 20 passes doesn't make it a memorable team goal, please tell me what does it?
It is indeed too early to forecast a winner team, but one thing is certain, many coaches will record this match and use it as teaching material for future generations of champions. Well done today, Argentina. It was magic. I enjoyed every minute of it and look forward to next Wednesday.

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  • 32.
  • At 08:30 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Gouldie wrote:

I missed the Argentina game - the pitfalls of having to work and it's just not the same if you don't watch the game live and have to record it. I think Argentina have got a very good chance, Riquelme and Messi are pretty hypnotic to watch but of course I would like my team, England, to win the tournament! England v Argentina in the semi-final? That would be a very interesting game!! Have fun in Gelsenkirchen, that should be some party! I also thought the England supporters at the game were great last night, you kept singing and cheering all through the game and it must have given the team a real boost.

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  • 33.
  • At 08:32 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Tim Knowles wrote:

This thread should go on forever. If you could see any weakness in Argentina it maybe that they have peaked too soon (we hope sincerely in Blighty). I just cant get over it. THAT GOAL, as it was well described earlier in the thread, ousted the Carlos Alberto goal for 1970 for me - a true classic. Get a clip on the bbc website and I'll watch it on a loop. Seriously look at how good Riquelme is as a midfielder. He is immense and if England want to progress, Lampard and Gerrard will need to watch his performance on loop too. It was as complete a performance as I have seen a team deliver since THAT world cup final in 1970.

And Serbia & Montenegro are not exactly "mugs". As Ian Wright quite brilliantly put it "S&M got whipped". That was worth the licence fee alone!

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  • 34.
  • At 08:33 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Kesava M wrote:

W-H-A-T A G-A-M-E!!! O dear Argentines, good luck in repeating 1986.

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  • 35.
  • At 08:34 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Bonnie Mitra wrote:

Argentia were truly magnificant against Serbia & Montenegro. But have they peaked too early? The Brazilian coach asked his team to play at 70% in the early going and pick up the pace in the later rounds. Judging by the magical skills of their players, I'm not going to change my pick for the World Cup yet. Its still the BOYS FROM BRAZIL...

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  • 36.
  • At 08:39 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Donny wrote:

I'm with Paul Jewel on this one - I can't remember a team ever playing better football. The emphasis is on TEAM - every player, every position played their part, and Riquelme was like the conductor in an orchestra. When Messi gets properly fit...

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  • 37.
  • At 08:41 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • b-rad wrote:

wow! the best display of 'total football' i have seen. A fantastic team display, they showed everything required of champions from a good defence to a scary arrey of attacking talent -who all look in good form. Most of all they looked focused and determined and if they can keep such a strong mental attitude to combine with their jaw-dropping football then they will be worthy champions. England take note: that is how to play football..

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  • 38.
  • At 08:42 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Vatrapu wrote:

Beautiful flowing football. This game was lyrical. The mark of a great football game is that swagger in your feet after watching the match. Argentine are serious contenders along with Spain. I think for the first time in many years, it will take a truly great team to win this world cup. We had enough good teams win it in the past, this time, its time for a great team.

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  • 39.
  • At 08:42 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Neil Car wrote:

"Don't cry for me Argentina"

All other contending teams are crying after that awesome performance.

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  • 40.
  • At 08:44 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

Argentina played scintillating football but they were allowed to play at their own pace. I wonder how well they will play in the latter stages when the tempo is faster and Riquelme isn't given all the time in the world to pick a pass.

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  • 41.
  • At 08:48 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • ashish wrote:

i have been a die hard fan of argentina since the maradona days and the team has always failed to live up to the hype since then..Finally the scales have tilted.. This is one of the best displays of team football i have seen in my life.. Go Argentina GO!!

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  • 42.
  • At 08:52 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Gouldie wrote:

By the way - Jonathan Pearce - top commentator and I'm not just saying that because he is a fellow Bristol City fan!

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  • 43.
  • At 08:53 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Gregory wrote:

i am not ready to jump on this bandwagon just yet. common, they won a game against a team that is realing in scandal internally, injured players and certainly some political problems at home that is going to rip their country aparty. You don't think all that can affect their morals? for all the praise given to S&M prior, they certainly did not show up to this game. So reality check people, this is but a subpar showing by a European team. Get a grip.
Having said that, Messi will be a handful to contain in this tournament. Many teams will be able to contain the dangerous midfield of Riquelme & Co. but how do you contain Messi without pulling 2 or 3 players on him? this should be interesting indeed.

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  • 44.
  • At 09:02 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Domenic Pronesti wrote:

Waiting for Argentina to meet Italy that will be the game to watch in the world cup 2006. I really like Argentina but I am of Italian Decent so Viva Italia. I really enjoyed the Argentina game today and I know all Argentians in Toronto will be celebrating their victory today as they should. Great showing BRAZIL, WHO?

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  • 45.
  • At 09:12 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Obaid wrote:

I m a Pakistani(Argentina fan), after watching todays game my passion for the argentina game has increased manifold, team was just amazing, can't describe the match, still in shock

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  • 46.
  • At 09:23 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • 4really wrote:

that's football!that is how it should be played.based on that performance Argentina is THE TEAM.England can never play like that,they will be lucky if they pass the round of 16.

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  • 47.
  • At 09:43 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

雮橂姅 雱堧ゼ 靷瀾頃

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  • 48.
  • At 09:43 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Santosh wrote:

Beautiful, just beautiful to watch. A team game and they sure showed us how it can be sheer poetry. Wow ! Thank you, Argentina.

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  • 49.
  • At 09:49 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • steve wrote:

In response to pete message 27. I am English too. I think the people who 'play down' England are realists. They are also honest with themselves and others. Some people like yourself are simply blindly patriotic. To say that Siminone cheated on that famous day is to refuse to admit that Beckham was at fault!! I feel sorry for you on two counts. First that you cannot see the performances of your country for what it really is. And secondly, that you refuse to admit that another country has just provided one of the most beautiful displays of football in modern times. I really wonder how you can enjoy the World Cup at all. A pity!!!!!

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  • 50.
  • At 10:13 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Geraldine Zingapan wrote:

I'm Filipina but my heart belongs to Argentina. Beautiful, just beautiful passing game. I had goose bumps from just watching the game. I hope my emotional investment in this team does not turn out to be a disappointment like in the last World Cup.

Well done!

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  • 51.
  • At 10:20 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Dan wrote:

Don't know what the connection between Argentina and South Asia is but looks like besides the discounted tea in Bangladesh, there's a whole lot of answered prayers in Calcutta :) -

Feel privileged to have witnessed that artistic display.

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  • 52.
  • At 10:24 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Allison Viceroy wrote:

Trinidad was good, damn good.We go beat paraguay

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  • 53.
  • At 10:29 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • mark styles ndlovu wrote:

why is that african teams are always on the receiving side from the referees and the fifa board? it is unfair, sepp blatter is the one influencing all this rubbish. tell your referees to be neutral and not to be bought by countries. africa has equally good players like europe and america. better still call it america-europe cup than world cup if the main ecency is to promote these continents. do not promote these continents in the name of the world. how many teams represent asia and africa respectively? people need an answer.

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  • 54.
  • At 10:31 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Mariano H Gonzalez wrote:

I`m an argentian man, who lives in Capital Federal...And just said this: "Thanks God for Sorin, Ayala, Rodriguez, Messi, Tevez, Burdisso, Saviola, Riquelme, Abondancieri, Heinze, Cambiasso, Crespo, Gonz谩lez, Macherano...are so beatifull see them...THANKS GOD"...

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  • 55.
  • At 10:49 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

With all due reservations thinking highly of our German team's potential(main asset: ever growing in stature, as in '54, '74, '90) I believe anyone denying brilliant, well: perfect Argentina the top role in the line of favourites is, well, foolish.
This seems to be a problem particularly among many England supporters on the various blogs I have been watching. Their blind overrating their team does in no way correspond to the meagre performances England has produced thus far. I wonder if living on an island is to some extent
inseparable from a lack of realism.

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  • 56.
  • At 10:58 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • smith wrote:

cambiasso goal

was one of the world cup great goals of all time no quistion.24 passes,
one twos and great touches one memerable goal.

also messi was world class when he came on scoring and assisting

overall argentina where sensational

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  • 57.
  • At 11:10 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • henry e wrote:

wow. i live in los angeles and im a HUGE fan of argentinian soccer. the game was uplifting (compared to the last minutes of their first) and was a showing of great football technique. Its still early of course, but if this team maintains this level of play,... good heavens!,... they will be impossible to stop. PS> thanks for the awesome coverage!

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  • 58.
  • At 11:11 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Rob wrote:

That was a great game. I am not very clear why so many English people instead of enjoying what was a memorable football occasion have to spend their comments in denigrating a great Argentinean team has to display their sour grapes. So England so far has displayed a very mediocre form. But why not acknowledge an awesome display and enjoy it. Perhaps one day England will be capable of the same in this tournament鈥....

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  • 59.
  • At 11:20 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Jakehadlee wrote:

Argentina were superb, but they must make sure they don't get carried away. They were playing a team riven with internal disagreements who played at times like they didn't really want to be there - it reminded me in that respect of England's 4-1 win against Holland in Euro 96, where the quality of their football was temepered slightly by playing an unhappy team that let them play that way.
More street-wise teams will not give players like Riquelme so much time on the ball, and I've seen enough world cups to know brilliant performances in the qualifying rounds count for little later on. Having said that they showed the sluggish, complacent Brazilians a thing or two about football and the fourth goal was every bit as good as Brazil's famous fourth in the 1970 final.

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  • 60.
  • At 11:20 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • The Dutch wrote:

Don't think Servia&M put up a real fight. Let me remind you of the 6-1 score in the 1/4 final of EC2000 against Yugoslavia. The Dutch played good footbal because the yugo's let them.... and of course the Dutch were good, but did not make it to the final :-)

Don't get me wrong.. I am sure this is a good team... but judge them based on more than one game..

and... there's more to come. i wouldn't want to miss the game of the Dutch against Argentina

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  • 61.
  • At 11:33 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Mikethebirder wrote:

Awesome. Just like watching Brazil (but without matchsticks holding your eyes open). As a Welshman I can relax now that it is clear that someone out there can stop THEM and that THEY are not going to win the cup.

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  • 62.
  • At 11:34 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Peter Roberts wrote:

Really stunning stuff from Argentina today. I'm English and have been watching World Cup tournaments since 1958 and that is definitely the best team performance I've ever seen. Absolutely brilliant.

Yes, S&M are not the strongest opposition, but they're far from the weakest either. They're certainly significantly better then Trinidad & Tobago. that's for sure!

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  • 63.
  • At 11:34 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Alejo wrote:

Pekerman knows Messi, Tevez and someone named Palacio that can resurrect.
Alejo from Bs.As ,sorry for my poor english

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  • 64.
  • At 11:35 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Stephen O'Sullivan wrote:

As an England fan (though "sufferer" would be a more accurate desription) I would like to thank Argentina for reminding the world, if not the British media and football establishment, how football should be played. That was truly wonderful, and an absolute joy to watch.

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  • 65.
  • At 11:40 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Tony wrote:

To me the point is missed. Argentina may not win the World Cup. I for one will always remember this team. If England carrying on playing like this, even if they win, how joyous can it be? It would leave the same impression as when Greece won the Euros. It would only be remembered by myopic England fans most of whom seem never to have watched a game before (at least only in a beer-fuelled jingoistic frenzy) It is a results business, sadly, but it's about Glory too. England, world cup winners or not, can never play like Argentina did today. The English midfield is world class in it's own lunchtime only. They cannot, as Portugal showed in 2004, pass the ball. It is NBA-style star system capitalism gone mad. Build round Gerrard the only world class footballer in the midfield or lose it all: even Ecuador will pass us to distraction. This is the Ratner Generation.

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  • 66.
  • At 11:41 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
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I'm half-English, half-Argentine and live in London and I was giggling with incredulous laughter as I watched the game on the telly. It was a joy from start to finish. I'd love Argentina (or England) to win the World Cup, but even if Argentina fail to win it, the memory of that performance - and the second goal in particular - will live long in my memory.

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  • 67.
  • At 11:43 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Tony wrote:

British commentary really isn't something one misses. It is rubbish. Green, Pearce self-publicists, polemical for the sake of it. They add very little, other than noise.

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  • 68.
  • At 11:47 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Ali wrote:

a Pakistani living in USA singing .... ole ole ole ole ....

Go argentina!!!!!!!!!

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  • 69.
  • At 11:52 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • marcos wrote:

Football is only a game not a science; or perhaps is more easily defined as an art as you see 11 painters desinging in only 90 minutes a masterpiece? Aguante Argentina! This game was a beauty.
Marcos (cordobes who lives Inglattera).

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  • 70.
  • At 11:56 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Imy wrote:

Unbelievable football from Argentina now thats what you call football. I'm an England supporter but I got to say this was one brilliant team and game. The only other footballing display in this world cup so far I have enjoyed was Spain's. The way both teams flowed is just amazing. For me the best players and who dont get as much credit are Riquelme for Argentina (nearly if not %100 successful passing) cool collected and doesnt want the glory just sets up the attack to play thier game. And for Spain Xavi different style of play compared to Riquelme but again no glory hunter tirelessly runs up and down the field providing for the attack to do their job. One thing I noticed of both teams their bench looks scary forget their team. Argentina have Messi and Tevez on thier bench! Spain have Raul, Reyes and Joaquin on their bench now that says something! Also I think getting rid of some superstars (or putting them on the bench) who dont pull their weight helps

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  • 71.
  • At 11:57 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • Steve Sylvester wrote:

Argentina.
Just brilliant...& that`s coming from someone who really hated them for a long time...
Still think they are arogant!but after today maybe they have every right to be...

England will have to improve 1000% to catch Argentina...


and i can`t see that happening

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  • 72.
  • At 11:57 PM on 16 Jun 2006,
  • lordrp wrote:

Absolutely brilliant football from Argentina and I would certainly not agree that S&M lied down. I think they were just played off the park. 2nd goal was probably the best I have ever seen and I would say this team definitely has the potential to establish itself as the best of all time.

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  • 73.
  • At 12:09 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Argentina gave us a great example of the beautiful game. However the worst performing team in the tournament has been England, even little old Togo have put in a better performance than England! If Argentina can keep it going I hope they win the world cup and in style.

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  • 74.
  • At 12:11 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Arjan Los wrote:

I saw the game and it was awesome. I am dutch and really look forward to the final group game!

I hope the argentinians get at least to the semis.. if they play like this all the way then they deserve to be worldchampions! However.. one slight remark... it is very very dangerous to play too good too soon. From experience teams who grow stand more chance than teams who shine too soon and lose it at the end..

So even though England play absolutely disgraceful & horrible football.. they actually have a great chance! Shame on them they got the worst coach around though..

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  • 75.
  • At 12:13 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Marcos wrote:

that's why football is so beautiful, because you can show much like these. Superb performance. VAMOS ARGENTINA CARAJO!!

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  • 76.
  • At 12:22 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Fata wrote:

Argentinians were superb. And all I have to say to Serbia is:
Could this be karma, amigos?
Hahahahahahahaha.

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  • 77.
  • At 12:27 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Jon wrote:

I refer too one of the early posts. Yes, without doubt Argentina are the bookies favourites... BUT, (yes) they are young. England's team were young at Euro 2004, tipped by many and ran out of steam early on. I think the Argentinians will get too the semis and do the same. Although the English haven not played well so far, performances count for very little in such a competition. I would bet that England will beat Argentina if they come face to face. The only way England can be outclassed is if we meet Brazil in a situation they have been before... the final. And this is a big if considering current form!

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  • 78.
  • At 12:29 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Mariano H Gonz谩lez wrote:

- The most beautiful individual goal in the history of the world cups:
Diego A. Maradona (World Cup 1986)

- The most beautiful Team goal in the history of the world cups:
Esteban Cambiasso (World Cup 2006)

VAMOSSSSSSSSS ARGENTINAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

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  • 79.
  • At 12:37 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • sirfabius wrote:

I'm brazilian living in Brazil. Argentina played beautifully but I'm not worried, because they are on the opposite bracket and we will only meet in the finals. I honestly can't think of a better team to play against in the finals, Brazil will peak around that time and we should see some brilliant football. And we will win, we owe them payback from 1990. I was at stadio delle alpi that faithful day and because of Maradona my cruiseship ended up going on the "bad route" due to Brazil's elimination. So Argentina has a lot of bad karma to a lot of brazilians that were on that ship. And you all know what happens when you owe Brazilians karma, just ask the french. :-D

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  • 80.
  • At 12:42 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Johno wrote:

There is little doubt that it was one of the best performances ever seen at a World Cup. However, a couple of points need to be made. It is difficult to imagine a team that had less drive or steel than the Serbia side - by 60 mins it had the feel of a training game, with Argentina completely dominating possession, dictating the pace and being allowed to run unanswered. Secondly, Riquelme... While I agree, he's an amazing talent - he is only amazing if and when he is allowed uncontested possession in midfield. When there is pressure and tackles snapping in at him, he seems to go into his shell a touch - Villareal v Arsenal anyone? Anyway, I'm not being totally negative. If this Argentina side comes up against England, there is only one winner. Argentina - and I am English. The reason? England do not have the technique to hold the ball for long periods and under Sven, have lost the pressure and pace game that allows British clubs to dominate technically superior European ones. World Cup 2002 showed that England cannot hold the ball long enough to put pressure on talented teams when we fall behind - and when we lose the ball we find it incredibly difficult to get the ball back - because these chaps, those Brazilians and these Argentineans have immense talent and are used to keeping the ball for long periods of time. So congratulations Argentina - grudgingly given by a football fan.

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  • 81.
  • At 12:45 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Karl wrote:

El Diego.

Absolute magic.

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  • 82.
  • At 01:04 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Melina Enjuto wrote:

I'm an Argentinian woman living in England. I disagree with a comment made by Razib Ahmed: "NO body thought that Argentina would do well in this world cup". Weeks before the world cup started, my fiance and his football-fan friends were all saying that they thought Argentina hada very good chance to win this year, and therefore was their favourite team. I have also read this in 2 message boards, always from non-Argentinian people.

I'm glad we're not disappointing them so far :)

And I have a (rhetorical) question: Why, after such wonderful performances, hace 2 english people on the street told me to 'get rid of that Argentina top - they're so crap!'. Hmm...

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  • 83.
  • At 01:11 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Juan R, wrote:

it is a goal that it is of a standard which we are knowing is high like the mountain of my father. I much apologise for standard of my English. Football love! jump and run you!

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  • 84.
  • At 01:14 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Guille wrote:

Argentina may not win the World Cup but this performance (as the one Denmark got against Uruguay in Mexico 1986) will be remembered for ever. My country is crazy at this moment. Can you believe that?

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  • 85.
  • At 01:19 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Carlos wrote:

Let's see, what can I compare watching this game to. Imagine getting home and finding a beatifull supermodel naked and in your bed. Someone else put it better: "delicious game".

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  • 86.
  • At 01:22 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Bellamy wrote:

Two of the goals were offside, another should have been stopped for a foul and one of the others was very lucky, so really Argentina only beat Serbia and Montenegro by 2-0, which is a particularly poor result, given the quality of the opposition.

I find it unbelievable and a little sickening that anyone should think that Argentina were playing good football. Open your eyes!

In my opinion, the football was flashy and annoying and quite irritating, and lacked a directness that we enjoy seeing when England play.

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  • 87.
  • At 01:28 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Arthur Almaszy wrote:

I scored seven goals today, which is better than Argentina, although they all were against my sister in the back garden.

But she is quite athletic, for a four-year-old, and has a safe pair of hands, so some credit is due to me.

Therefore, I win the World Cup and Argentina progress no further.

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  • 88.
  • At 01:36 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Gorkhe wrote:

Indeed, one of the best Argentine games. We hungry fans were served the greatest feast by the team. My best 90 minutes so far. Can't wait to see the next game.

Good luck Argentines!!!

-Gorkhe, Nepal.

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  • 89.
  • At 01:39 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • dave wrote:

Football is a game dreamt by Gods to be played by poets and for once in my lifetime this is how Argentina played today. Thank you. A joy and a privilege to watch it.

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  • 90.
  • At 01:52 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Magnus wrote:

Any one who does not appreciate Argentina`s performance in today`s game is a great appology to footballing.

I live in England and strongly supports English football however, England should discard sentiments and face reality if they shoulg go far in this tornerment.

Sven should learn from argentine`s flowing river!!!.

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  • 91.
  • At 01:56 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • gavin keogan wrote:

I am an English Arsenal fan and the dude who said:

"no one thought Argentina would do well in this world cup" Dhaka in Baglesesh...Well it came as no suprise to me today,

Ive had a bet on them to win a while back at 10.5, and backed them today.

For Christ Sake look at their squad!!! its incredible, I sincerley dont believe the rest of the world wrote them off either, those who know football. Every department oozes class, from sorin, hienze, ayala, to the requilme, cambiasso, crespo calibre.

then you have the quality of messi, aimar, tevez to name a few on the bench. Long may this beautiful football continue. It reminds me of the arsenal at times!

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  • 92.
  • At 01:57 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Amir wrote:

there is much more to come yet dont get to excited argiant times, we shall wait and see when you face brazil the champs!no team plays better football then brazil and you know that, brazil will win no doubt

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  • 93.
  • At 01:59 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • martin (banfield) wrote:

hi, I am argentinian, I live in Buenos Aires, and I can tell you, that before te WC started I had great expectations, but when I started to see that Messi and Tevez where going to be sitted in the bench, y was very angry and desilusionated... after Costa De Marfil match, I keep on being desilusionated, but...
After the marvellous football class to the world I saw today, I must admit that Pekerman is a very inteligent man, that knows how to tret the players, how to make them play their best football, Pekerman won 1995 Qatar sub 20 WC, 1997 Malasia sub 20 WC, and 2001 Argentina sub 20 WC, so....most of the players that are in this list of 23, Pekerman knows them better than anyone, and now I am totally delighted with his work till here, and Im sure that if argentina go on playin like this... It will be unstopable....
We fortunately have offensive players like no other team, Messi, Riquelme, Saviola, Tevez and Palacio (be careful with this young player because is the new Caniggia... or even better), this players have no comparission, they have the ability of, great aceleration, high speed, and all this with the ball not more than 30 cm separate to their feets...
AGUANTE ARGENTINA

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  • 94.
  • At 02:06 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • gavin keogan wrote:

bellamy you gotta be takin the piss seriously sayin England are better than Argentina.

Set pieces are only given away if you have possession. England can't pass the ball for more than 2 passes without hoofin it and givin it away

Argentina were sensational today and yeah I'll concede S&M were poor today, and Argentina can play even better than that.

The best team I have seen probably since France 6 years ago.

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  • 95.
  • At 02:11 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Nicolas Villamil wrote:


A well known Tango song says in a part: "twenty years is nothing" (que veinte a帽os no es nada), its argentinas time to be world champions again like twenty years ago.

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  • 96.
  • At 02:24 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Bellamy wrote:

As I always say, you can't score with the ball in your own half. A series of quick, incisive longballs and quickly give you a lot of opportunities to score. It is a waste of effort to continually pass the ball. Many great sides down the years have proven this. I am right.

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  • 97.
  • At 02:32 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • arctos wrote:

chematuco, you hit it right in the nail. Your post comes a few hours after mine on the other discussion about this game:
/dna/mb606/F4441083?thread=3164176&skip=220&show=20

And you should see the responses from my fellow countrymen... Morals and rationality have crumbled to the ground in that society.
As an argentinean I feel ashamed to hear about the events you describe. I wish I could apologize on behalf of my people, but that is not up to me. Please don't think we're all the same. It would be nice if nationalities and the lame sense of pride it gives people would dissappear, so that every human being can be valued for its own merits.

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  • 98.
  • At 02:33 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Stephen Roberts wrote:

I'm half Argentinian and half English so I'm probably Bias, but anyway I've got to say this:

I could only watch the second half but it was easily the best I've ever seen any football team in the world play 45 minutes of football. Their passing was amazing, and I've never seen so much skill in one match: nutmegs, stepping on the ball, taking people on, back-heals you name it!

Bringing Messi and Tevez (2 of the best players in the world) off the bench, after already taking a commanding lead is also amazing!

They deserve to win the whole thing - I just hope they do

隆Aguante Argentina!

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  • 99.
  • At 02:34 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

Melina Enjuta

Regarding the problem you had with English fans about your Argentine T-shirt is not a new thing.
Educated and well informed English person will never say anything like that. Sadly there are many low lifes living in England fed by Sun Newpaper and hate for anything wich is not English. The blind Patriotism is sick. They are not only like that agains Argentins but their own Europeans like French,Germans,Spanish,Italians so this should not be a news to you. Don't pay attention to them they live in the buble of hate. I pitty them.

GREAT GAME BY ARGENTINA!!! BEST I HAVE SEEN SO FAR!!!

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  • 100.
  • At 02:36 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Stephen Roberts wrote:

I'm half Argentinian and half English so I'm probably Bias, but anyway I've got to say this:

I could only watch the second half but it was easily the best I've ever seen any football team in the world play 45 minutes of football. Their passing was amazing, and I've never seen so much skill in one match: nutmegs, stepping on the ball, taking people on, back-heals you name it!

Bringing Messi and Tevez (2 of the best players in the world) off the bench, after already taking a commanding lead is also amazing!

They deserve to win the whole thing - I just hope they do

隆Aguante Argentina!

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  • 101.
  • At 02:38 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Thomas wrote:

I'm both Argentine and English, living in Buenos Aires, and I'm of course thrilled about both countries winning. What Argentina did today was simply fantastic. Since the first moment up until the end the lads showed a superb display of football, a display I haven't seen for a while, at least not from Argentina.
Everyone was basically on fire and not only did their job, they actually enjoyed themselves out there. I hope that we can see more games like this in the cup, the level of playing is not really that good unfortunately.

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  • 102.
  • At 02:39 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Mark Isaacs wrote:

I am from the UK but live in the USA and cannot put up with the inane and unprofessional commentary on World Cup games by US commentators any more.
They make factual errors - get players names wrong, and reasons for the ref blowing his whistle wrong, and even scores from previous games wrong. Their blabbing is so basic with no worthwhile insights on gamne play and continual comparison's to basketball, American football and baseball its driving me nuts.
Does anyone out there know how I can 麻豆官网首页入口 commentary over the internet or via radio - especially sometime before the USA Vs. Italy game tomorrow ???

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  • 103.
  • At 02:39 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Mark Isaacs wrote:

I am from the UK but live in the USA and cannot put up with the inane and unprofessional commentary on World Cup games by US commentators any more.
They make factual errors - get players names wrong, and reasons for the ref blowing his whistle wrong, and even scores from previous games wrong. Their blabbing is so basic with no worthwhile insights on gamne play and continual comparison's to basketball, American football and baseball its driving me nuts.
Does anyone out there know how I can 麻豆官网首页入口 commentary over the internet or via radio - especially sometime before the USA Vs. Italy game tomorrow ???

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  • 104.
  • At 02:41 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Sean Kelly wrote:

I'm a Pommie living in Australia with slightly dissorientating insomnia but let that be as it may there seems to be a view that the Argentine match was the best ever in a WC. Surely for a match to be trully GREAT it needs two teams to turn up and play good football. I'm sorry to say that Argentina were made to look so good by an abjectively aweful S&B team. Yes Argentina scored some wonderful goals but against a defence as static as that even England would have had a field day!!! Also in response to some of the comments about comparing Argentina's performance yesterday with England's against T&T - if England had scored 6 everyone would be saying 'oh well, it was only T&T', so England can't win either way. They totally dominated the match with 63% of the ball and had numerour chances. And another thing England fans - stop bringing up previous issues with matches played against the Argies, get over it!!

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  • 105.
  • At 02:45 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • arctos wrote:

I should have added that you're absolutely right in noting that argentineans take pride in cheating and not getting caught. I've grown up in that society watching others being glorified because they were "picaros" (witty) cheating the system, whether in games or in life. Meanwhile, decent people who follow moral principles and agreements are ridiculed and disrespected because they're not "cool" enough. Crooks and cheaters are "geniuses" over there. It's morals reverted in that jungle.

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  • 106.
  • At 02:47 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Douglas Wilson wrote:

Requelme exists, therefore God exists; God exists, therefore Messi exists. Viva Argentina!!!

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  • 107.
  • At 02:52 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Lothar Huebsch wrote:

To win the World Cup you need greatly talented players and you need them then to fuse into a unified and determined and committed team. Germany, as always, is endlessly determined.England and Brazil have the great talents. But from today's display Argentina has both!This is Argentina's cup.

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  • 108.
  • At 02:52 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Lothar Huebsch wrote:

To win the World Cup you need greatly talented players and you need them then to fuse into a unified and determined and committed team. Germany, as always, is endlessly determined.England and Brazil have the great talents. But from today's display Argentina has both!This is Argentina's cup.

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  • 109.
  • At 03:03 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Bellamy wrote:

It is not Argentina's cup. The cup belongs to the world, to every small child with a tear in its eye, and to football. The cup is for us all, and please remember that. Thank you.

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  • 110.
  • At 03:07 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Gaving wrote:

Chematuco, i am english as well and i think u are given a completely wrong description of the average argentinean. Would be nice if we can see england winning the WC, however i dont think the people in Uruguay would agree with ure thinking at all.

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  • 111.
  • At 03:17 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Antu wrote:

Argentina were absolutely superb. Hopefully they'll be able to keep up their good form. I wish Aimar also plays later on in the tournament. Cheers.

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  • 112.
  • At 03:21 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Antu wrote:

Hi, i'm from India but in Argentina for the worldcup. I'm staying with my friends from Argentina. This is a great time to be here rightnow. I think Argentina can win this year, they have so much talent. Can't wait for next Wednesdays match against Holland.

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  • 113.
  • At 03:24 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • AlexK wrote:

This argentinian team is destined to be greatest Team without a super star.

I really think this is Jos茅 Pekerman master piece. He moulded a team with role players who understand passing.

i always liked argentian football because it is intelligent style , smart cunning and guile. I bought my first TV in 1986 to watch soccer to see what the hoopla behind maradona. WOW. From there i am fan of argentina.

I also have to state that there is a all out conspiracy against argentinan football by BRAZIL (FIFA).

Anyway back to this game , i really think this is best Soccer Team ever.
Even 1986 maraodna team was maradona + 10 other so so players.

What impressed me about todays game from the game against CIV was, the ability of Maxi Rodriguez and Cambiasso ability to score goals when chance available. A total TEAM FOOTBALL played by any team in the history of FOOTBALL. More masterpieces to come.

I have n't even started talking about messi and taverez.


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  • 114.
  • At 03:38 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Alexk wrote:

I am indian from canada.

The Pope is German. God is Argentine - Diego X . Was scribbled on maradona's car.

I concur.

But this team is a masterpiece of jose Perkman. He devised the plan and taught them passing skills and trust the team mates.

Great Team performance. More to come.

There is a conspiracy against argentinian football by BRAZIL(FIFA). One day it will be exposed.

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  • 115.
  • At 03:40 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Staphan Blunt wrote:

No let's put some things in to prospective.

Some people love to down grade everything wich is not English I can see that already. Now if Serbia was such a weak team they would not top their European Qualification group sending Spain for playoffs and conciding one goal in whole qualification period. Serbia&Montenegros football team is well know for having good defence and today Argentina demolished it. FACT!!!
Another fact is that Dutch managed to beat them by only by one goal. FACT!!!
Serbia and Montenegro is ranked by far higher then T&T and Paraguay and England berly managed to beat them. FACT!!!
And yes another point to show how fanatically jealous some of the rabbit English patriots are is that they always have to bring in England when the topic is not even about them.
This Rabbit Sun Patriots just can not say something nice to others when they do well. Things like "Great Guys" Good Luck Guys" "All the best" "Great game" "Wonderful Team" "Talanted team" this sort of words are not used in their vocabulary but there is plenty of xenophobic,racist sick patriotc poison which can come out at any given time.
It does not matter if Argentina wins the World Cup what matters is they play quality football and everybody sees and knows it only you haters do not wish to see it.

All the best.


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  • 116.
  • At 03:48 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Leila wrote:

In response to Domenic P N. 13
Brasil Who? just those who have won five times and the only ones to have been in every single World Cup. Has any other country donne that?

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  • 117.
  • At 04:10 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • gerardo lopez wrote:

Having seen Argentina's classification matches for the W.C., I have to say I didn't expect this superb pefomance. There were some flashes of this during the last match against Brasil in Bs. As where Argentina got a 3-1 victory, but it, I think, has come from heaven accordingly with what we thought previously at this game. I'm stunned and enchanted with this kind of perfect football. First was "the orange machine", now "the criollos craftmen". By the way, if it's needed to say, I'm an Argentinean ex bored football fan. I hope it last.

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  • 118.
  • At 04:12 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Marcio wrote:

For those of you impressed with Argentina's performance, you all ignored the fact that Serbia and Montenegro did not play and they all wandered back and forth. They gave all the space and watched Argentina do whatever. They suffered to beat Ivory Coast. I want to see them do that against Italy,Brazil,England and Germany.

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  • 119.
  • At 04:15 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • squirrel wrote:

A very entertaining and polished performance for sure, and pretty to watch, but whilst the vast majority are predictably waxing lyrical over this Argy display, I am now left wondering if my myopia was playing tricks on me.
Regardless of the relative merits of the quality of the respective teams, I was sure that I detected a broad tactical approach of the Argentines who achieved domination in the game by expending the first 20 minutes in theatricals, frustrating the opposition into submission.
Myopia maybe, otherwise perhaps I better go and buy another case of the cheap plonk I was imbibing at the time, it seems to produce entertaining results.

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  • 120.
  • At 04:21 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Diego P wrote:

volveremo麓 volveremo麓... volveremos otra vez, volveremo a ser campeones...como en el 麓86.
AGUANTE ARGENTINA LA PUTA MADRE QUE LO PARIO!!

For those who don麓t understand english... just saying we麓re gonna be champions again.
wanna see any other team playing like that..
TNX Argentina.

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  • 121.
  • At 04:30 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Nick wrote:

The Argentina match was why the world cup is so great. I thought the Spanish were impressive but the third goal from Argentina was team play at its best. Serbia and Montenegro are no slouches, and the group of death is living up to its name- just a pity Ivory coast are not staying.
Looking forward to all the rest of the matches- at least in Hong Kong they are on at night.

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  • 122.
  • At 05:01 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Nick wrote:

Ivory Coast was much better team than the results showed. Drogba did not play with any conviction, where as whole team played their hearts out and were running around for every possesion. They dominated the midfield vs both Argentina and Netherlands. Needless to say I support teams from Africa and so hopefully Ghana can somehow move on to second round. It would also help if Africa get at least couple of more slots in World Cup because it's a real shame likes of Cameroon, Nigeria and Senegal did not make it to the cup, where they have proved their quality to be as good or if not better than teams that have made it this year. Must say Argentina played awesome vs. S & M.

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  • 123.
  • At 05:03 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Angus wrote:

Argentina and England are sad football countries.

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  • 124.
  • At 05:20 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Marcio wrote:

Brazil - 18 World Cups - counting this one
Brazil - Five time World Champions
Brazil - Scored the most amount of goals in World Cups
Brazil - Now the holder of 8 consecutive Wins in World Cups passing Italy
Brazil - Only country to win a World Cup in Europe
Brazil - Current Confederation Cup Champions - Brazil 4 X 1 Argentina

These are some true facts about BRAZIL!!!! NOT OPINIONS!!!!

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  • 125.
  • At 05:24 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • vinileg wrote:

Argentina was awesome, but Serbia-Montenegro was one of the weakest teams we have seen so far.
Ivory Coast was unlucky to loose two times against teams they should have drew against. The Czechs, Spain, Argentina, Netherland, Ecuador and Germany to a lesser degree have done a good job. Brazil, England and France were all disappointments.
But it's only the begining...

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  • 126.
  • At 05:30 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Bruce wrote:

A beautiful game?

Why aren't fans gasping over the 0-0 draws between Mexico and Angola or Trinidad and Tobago and Sweden? Why the gushing over this match between Argentina and Serbia. Could it be that at last there was actually some scoring? Could it be that fans actually want to see the ball in the net?

It is all very well to talk of football being a beautiful game. If you say it long enough and often enough people may come to believe it. But the fact is, it is boring.

There are some sports such as basketball and cricket where the scores are so high as to be risible. But there are other sports such as rugby, ice hockey and volleyball where it is possible to play well and actually end up with something other than a 0-0 draw to celebrate.

Until football has more than a dozen scoring chances in a 90 minute game or one every 7 minutes (what could you do in seven minutes,brew a pot of tea and saunter back to the telly?) we in North America will find it difficult to take the game seriously.

Bruce


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  • 127.
  • At 05:41 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

I love argentina and england , i think it is going to be an england argentina final, only thing erikson is the greatest obstacle , england is a very talented team can match argentina, he needs to get off his back side and allow england to be more adventurious , his style and approach shackled england , it was a great display by argentina today but england can match them , serbia montenegro was just out of touch , when argetina plays holland we will see how good they really are.

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  • 128.
  • At 05:48 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Ricardo wrote:

I'm Brazilian...a lot has already been said about this wonderful display of skills by my hermanos. All I can say is WELL DONE. Hope we don't get in their way...

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  • 129.
  • At 05:51 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Mamoudou wrote:

A Ghanian in NY.. Argentina you are simply awesome fantastic and beatifullllllllllllllllll to watch .
what a game...

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  • 130.
  • At 06:08 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • paul wrote:

What is Bruce doing on this Blog? HE should go to a US site to talk about other sports. Stop winging about a game you don't understand.
Pathetic

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  • 131.
  • At 06:14 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • celeste wrote:

Queridos mios,

Theres nothing wrong about show everyone else what you can do, early in the championship... at least not in this case... every Pekerman麓s team starts the championships with the best they can give... most of this kids are already world champions on Pekerman麓s youngest teams.

I love them all. I know what things they麓re able to do. It麓s just a matter of time. If this WC is not the one... I can wait 4 more years to see them WIN. Im pacience.... I have lovely memories of 1986 Thanks God.

just wait and see. Messi its already starting... good football its about to happen.... for everyone to enjoy.

Dios Salve a Argentina.
Celeste.

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  • 132.
  • At 06:21 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • mariano gallo wrote:

Im argentinian living in US, im so glad ARgentina played one of the best game so far. I also believe we should have the same passion to make our country bigger. We just can't justified our problems covering of a bit of extra positive energy came from the soccer. As argentinian i feel soccer is not the most important solution to the problems. Did ever people in my country think about it? i dont think so

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  • 133.
  • At 06:26 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Neal Saferstein wrote:

Really stunning stuff from Argentina today

Neal Saferstein

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  • 134.
  • At 06:44 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Jun Watanabe wrote:

- I wonder if living on an island is to some extent inseparable from a lack of realism.

Response to Post 60 by Rolf Habich.

I'm Japanese and we live in an island (well, islands) as well, and I do feel that we kind of lack realism from time to time, but roughly half of Japanese believed that they wouldn't get out of the group stage, and this was their answer BEFORE the first match that they lost to Australia.

Now, I acknowledge that English football is far superior to Japanese, but it's pretty fair to say that Japanese are much more realistic when it comes to football even though they live in an island. With all due respect, too many England supporters live in "La La Land". Besides 6 goals and what have you, Argentina's football, in particular, the 2nd goal was a form of art. Beauty.

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  • 135.
  • At 06:44 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • paul fitzpatrick wrote:

I'm English and have been watching football for over 40 years and I have to say that was the most memorable performance I can recall from Argentina tonite. They were absolutely magnificent. I live now in New Zealand and was watching this in the middle of the night but what a treat to witness that quality of play. We salute you Argentina ... what passion showed by Maradona and the "hinchada" - fans of Argentina, I salute you.

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  • 136.
  • At 07:04 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Argy Bargy wrote:

What is that makes English fans so upset about Argentine football? Sour grapes, I suppose. When I see the likes of Rooney and his team mates they all look like drug-crazed bulls charging up the pitch with no sense of direction or skill. Just like one of the earlier bloggers who said, "...difficult to watch a tennis match on a football pitch..." IMHO England do not have skillful players like Argentina does. And that is the difference between the two teams.

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  • 137.
  • At 07:09 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • peter wrote:

There is a new favourite now to win the cup and that is Argentina.
I'm Dutch and live in Brazil. Everybody here thinks that Brazil will win the cup, although they sometimes may say otherwise. They compare this generation to the one of 1970, with Pel茅 in it. The thing is, Brazil is always so loaded with talent that they can usually afford to overlook the fact that football is ever modernizing. Not this time around! This is like the Dutch in 1974 who took the world by storm. Argentina is showing that modern football ought to be played with 11 men, on and OFF the ball. Brazil won't fare well with two overweight strikers up front, little movement and aging players. My money is on Argentina. Hope they fare better than the Dutch in 1974.

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  • 138.
  • At 07:19 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Peter Owens wrote:

Cambiasso's goal was the best ever in a world cup after Maradona's solo masterpiece in 1986. Carlos Alberto's 1970 world cup goal doesnt even come close. In fact Alberto's goal is not even in the top five - it happened when the game's pace was very slow and the run up to the goal was straight forward. Cambiasso's goal had 24 crisp flawless touches and the ball was moved all over the field, ending in 4 sublime touches.

I have watched this game. I can die happy now.

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  • 139.
  • At 07:37 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Edward Gulliver wrote:

Celine

You are right to be effusive over such a performance but wrong to see it as a title winning show.

Argentina were helped by an inept Serbian side and the luck they needed.

Like Holland they were lucky to beat the Ivory Coast and that form would not see them as favourites.

Assessing them individually, Riquelme can be shackled - Arsenal did it very easily. Saviola is equally stoppable - ask Barcelona, they are trying to sell him. Crespo, I know as a Chelsea supporter, is not the force he once was. Messi is a kid that needs to do it in a big game (not Serbia)- Chelsea had him sorted in the second Champs league tie before he got injured.

So be careful about handing out the crown too early..... Brazil/Italy/Spain/Germany and England are yet to hit full stride and remember it's how and, perhaps, who you play at knock out time that wins the title.

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  • 140.
  • At 07:38 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • David Lee wrote:

Long live Argentina and win the World Cup 2006 .

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  • 141.
  • At 07:44 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Ally wrote:

Argentina were brilliant. Every player truely World Class. They'll take 6 off England who are 2nd or 3rd rate in this World Cup. Argentina have let their football do the talking whereas England's talking has been pure hype based on raw emotion - there are at least 10 teams out there who are better than England whose attitude will again be their downfall where the team have grown to believe their fans' and media's hype.

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  • 142.
  • At 07:57 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Jimbo wrote:

I've just watched the winners of this year's tournament produce a performance of how football should be played. I'm talking about Argentina, unlike some other teams in the tournamnet who have won their games, but not very convincingly, they've not had to provide any excuses about their performances other than to say that it's to early to start talking about winning the competition. Perhaps some of the other "Fancied" nations would do well to follow their lead!

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  • 143.
  • At 08:03 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • ab initio wrote:

Impressive performance by Argentina today. Although S&M looked out if it, Argentina showed pace, ball control and good finishing. At the world cup level each game will be competitive and no team can expect to sail through. Can Argentina continue to show this level of team cohesion and form for the rest of their matches? I hope so as the games will be more entertaining. I also hope other top teams raise their performance levels up several knotches. The more competitive each match the better for us viewers.

I've enjoyed pretty much all the games so far but games with less long balls and more on the ground ball movement have been way more fun to watch.

I am looking forward to the Holland vs Argentina game as Holland must win that match to lead that group. And it will be a precursor to the level of play in the next rounds among the better teams. For Argentina to make the finals they'll most likely have to play Mexico in the next round, then Germany and finally Italy in the semi-finals. This will not be easy, particularly Germany being the home team and their large contingent of supporters in the stands.

I would like to see an all South America finals as it will be historic - the first time in a world cup on European soil. If Brasil can play to the level of hype and first win their group and then come through games with the Czechs and Spain (not easy at all) then they could meet Argentina in the finals.

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  • 144.
  • At 08:52 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • mehdi hoseinzadeh wrote:

argentina is really champion if "fifa left argentina".
pekerman please continue.

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  • 145.
  • At 09:04 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • gustavo wrote:

i am argentinian who live in buenos aires and all i can say is that i dont know who will win this world cup but today my blue and white heart with the sun in the middle,shone as never watching our boys doing it so well.

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  • 146.
  • At 09:07 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • hedgin_bets wrote:

Re post 153

It seems pretty ungrateful to me to slag off a country so wholeheartedly when you're making your livelihood there. And if you're so intent on making infantile jokes/swearing in English and Spanish why don't you just take your comments back to the brawlhouse. Education is not just about knowledge, it's about knowing how to behave, something you sadly seem to have no conception of.

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  • 147.
  • At 09:12 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Fabian Paul wrote:

The Argentine Football is on cloud nine and they are justified being there.
Jose Pekerman's Pecking order has paid off.
Holland may have played total football, Brazil perennial favorites but should confess Argentina is the only team which has a Prose & Poetry in the game.
Yesterdays game has been one of the best ever.

A Mix of Six really put the Serbs in Fix where almost the whole argentine team showed its sublime trix & clix.

Crespo could be rechristined as CRISPO
Messi has MESSI-MERIZED the world.
Cambioso goal was a CaM-EO-SO goal
Sorin was literally SO(A)RIN-G high

Six cheers to the Albiceleste.

Currently in U.K relocated from India have been an Argentine fan since 1982 at 8 yrs not just since Maradona 1986.

May the best team win purely by skills and not Sheer luck .

At the moment looks like God holds an Argentine Passport.

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  • 148.
  • At 09:12 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

The football that Argentina produced was so mesmerising that I actually stood up and applauded after a couple of their goals - even though I was watching the match on my own in the living room!

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  • 149.
  • At 09:40 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Nicolas wrote:

I have to say that I麓m pretty shocked (I麓ve read every comment of this article), and I think that Argentina (where I come from) played well and period. We did not won the WC. We麓re far away from that. But...
1) The people from England that didn麓t recognize that fantastic game is blinded by their pride... England is a great team, why the hate? I don麓t hate England, I can watch a game of England (or any country) and recognize quality.
2) I was really hurted my chematuco麓s post. I work hard to earn a minimum salary. I麓m honest. Besides, I don麓t think that insulting the people of argentina because of a stereotype is useful in any way... (50% of our population is behind poor line...well, we musn麓t be that "good cheaters") Have some respect, grow up.

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  • 150.
  • At 09:41 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Paul Robert wrote:

What? The most beautiful football of your life? How many football games did you watch? TWO?

Watch the final of CONFEDERATIONS CUP - 2005, please?

Thank you!

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  • 151.
  • At 09:53 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • zoe phillips wrote:

The argentinean matcah was a very good one. definitely one of the best match i have ever seen in the world cup. But these are early days yet. one sure thing is that the quaterfinals of this world cup is going to be one of the seat ever. we could probably see all eight seeds or best teams: Germany, England, Argentina, Italy or czech republic, Portugal, Brazil, Spain and France make it. Can't wait.

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  • 152.
  • At 10:06 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Ben wrote:

It was wonderful to watch the way the Argentine team played football today. Yes its just one match, that too in the group stages. No need to coronate them, but can't understand why there are a a few folks who just can't sit back and enjoy the football.

Chematuco - going ballistic on a whole country's culture is a tad bit over the top, and you've chosen to live there ?

The others who are grouchy about that beautiful game - why bring England into the picture ? I can understand those sentiments if you're from S&M and getting trounced.

Its a pity when you can't just enjoy some quality football when its shown to you. I hugely enjoyed myself watching those skills, especially THAT GOAL. Wow.

Its all in the mind. If you had fun watching it you had a lovely time. If you didn't, well, your loss.

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  • 153.
  • At 10:29 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Pete wrote:

Argentina were superb, no doubting that. It was a pleasure to watch footballing genius, and Messi could be better than Maradona (although Rooney could also be in the same bracket). However I don't think they'll win the World Cup because two teams have the pyschological edge over them. They are Brasil and England; the former because since 1994 their achievements on the global stage have humiliated their Southern neighbours, magnifying embarassing underachievements, compounded by a 4-1 thrashing in last year's Confederations Cup final; the latter because England eliminated Argentina in 2002, and the manner of November's 3-2 victory proves this Argentine side knows that England can beat them even if they outplay their European rivals. Also, 48 years since a South American side won in Europe. Argentina will do well, and this team will be around for a while, but I don't think they'll win it this year.

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  • 154.
  • At 10:32 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Douglas Wilson wrote:

Any team capable of riling the English this much desreves a trophy apart. 隆Viva la mano de Dios! 隆Y Escocia!

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  • 155.
  • At 10:36 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Anoop Saxena wrote:

Before this world cup started I had told my colleagues that this is the last year I am showing loyalty to Argentina, a loyalty that started in 1986 thanks to one man I consider the best ever. Ofcourse I am in a minority because Brazil has the most fans here in India. And unfortunately Argentine football was never the same after that disgraceful moment in US 94 world cup. Every year I rooted for Argentina and every year they disappointed me. Last world cup they were the tournament favorites but they could not proceed to round two. That hurt. Now they have redeemed themselves. They have come out of the shadows of Maradona and picked up his positive influence on the team. Am I not glad.

The second goal deserves special mention. It was breathtaking display of highest level of football and team work. Hope Argentina will play with such flair and precisement for the rest of the tournament.

Love you Maradaona, the football player.

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  • 156.
  • At 10:41 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

Argentina were good, but it's easy for a team to look good when the opposition are standing off and letting you play. This was a practice match and a confidence booster for them, but having watched progress in previous world cups, I'd rather have the pessimism about the England performances than the euphoria about Argentina's.

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  • 157.
  • At 10:53 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Gouldie wrote:

This blog seems to have cause quite a furore! I do not think that England supporters are necessarily blinded by their patriotism. I think the majority of posts have given praise and respect to Argentina's win and style of play. Any negative blogs should be disregarded as clearly these 'bloggers' cannot be called fans of football.

I also think England certainly have players of quality and this may be a contentious remark, but they are restricted by the formation, tempo of play and tactics of the manager and coach from Sven back to Bobby Robson, who was in charge at the first World Cup I saw, with any interest, Italia 90. I think England always seem to be looking for a final 'Hollywood' ball over the top, rather than playing to feet and 'faffy' chipped passes into a players chest or head. For me England are a better team when they close down from the front and play higher up the pitch.

I would love to see England reach the final and you have to believe in your team. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the tournament and the opportunity to watch great players from all nations. Politics and football should not be combined. Good luck to all teams and may the best team win!

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  • 158.
  • At 11:01 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Ron Thomas wrote:

Great show Argentina. The best side of the tournament so far by a country mile.

I tipped you or Holland before the tournament started and i am sticking with that view.

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  • 159.
  • At 11:02 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Rob Dainty wrote:

Beautiful football does not always win through. If there is justice in the world then the hand of Sven will see to the end of an Argentine dream. After all said and done it is "OUR" time. One after thought! How does, Erm.. What his name?? Follow Sven when we have reached the top? The only way would be for him down.

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  • 160.
  • At 11:02 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Gouldie wrote:

Oh by the way Celina, those Pat Butcher-esque red beads - shocking!!

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  • 161.
  • At 11:05 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Vin wrote:

Some people are saying that Argentina have maybe peaked too early but I disagree. I think that Argentina just played their natural game and they got everything they deserved in terms of goals, which doesn't always happen. I also think they and Holland are benefiting from being in the so-called 'Group of Death' which has meant their performance level has had to be high from the outset of the tournament and every minute of every game. This could be good for both teams as they go into the knock outs. As for winning, you always need a bit of luck but Argentina should get to the semi-finals at least. A Brazil-Argentina final would be just awesome!

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  • 162.
  • At 11:11 AM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Lauridsen wrote:

Any team that will hope to beat this fantastic Argentinian Team, will have to rely on pure grit and determination, cause there is no team out there(including Brazil), that will beat them in skill, tehcnical flair and depth of the squad.

I feel gratefull for being allowed to watch this fantastic display of football, and the second goal is one of the best team effort goals I have ever seen, thank you Argentina.

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  • 163.
  • At 12:18 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Max wrote:

I'm from India and more importantly the sports channels here also feed live EPL matches. Truthfully there's more to EPL and we should understand that football with all the artistry and skills originates more from south america and southern europe. the English way of playing is more susceptible to such skills shown by argentina. They were magnificent and i pray they continue playing at that same level becoz at the end of the day football is the biggest winner.

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  • 164.
  • At 12:26 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • John Mckeogh wrote:

Argentina were wonderful. The best performance so far, but England will be incredibly tough when it counts. Go England!!!!

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  • 165.
  • At 12:29 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Derek wrote:

I'm from Ireland and I knocked off work at 1.30 yesterday to go home and watch Argentina. And boy am I glad I did. When the dust settles there is no doubt in my mind that this will quite correctly be hailed as the greatest performance ever by any team, club or country.

Watching Argentina yesterday quite literally made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. They are an absolutely outstanding set of footballers with an obviously outstanding manager who knows his players for many years. That 2nd goal nearly made me cry it was so good. Riquelme is by far the most exciting player in world football at the moment and that backheel was sick it was so good. If there is any justice they will go on to win the World Cup if they continue to play football like that.

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  • 166.
  • At 12:37 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Anand Varatharaj wrote:

i wish i could get an adjective to describe the argentine game.....being an argentine fan for as far as i can remember.......i have never seen such team camaraderie in ages. and even after such a win, they have played down the expectations clearly showing they r not going to get complacent and they mean business. A very ominous sign for teams in their path.

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  • 167.
  • At 12:38 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Steven Pownall wrote:

It was a good performance, but lets not forget who they have to play next. The dutch are no mugs and are by far a more classy outfit than S&M. If the score line for that game is 6-0 then the rest of the teams in the knockout round should take notice. So far the only teams Argentina have played are the ones not expected to progress. Holland are a work in progress but they are still a very good team and will cause problems for Argentina. Italy are a few games off yet, Argentina's world cup offence trully starts with the Danes

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  • 168.
  • At 12:39 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Steven Pownall wrote:

It was a good performance, but lets not forget who they have to play next. The dutch are no mugs and are by far a more classy outfit than S&M. If the score line for that game is 6-0 then the rest of the teams in the knockout round should take notice. So far the only teams Argentina have played are the ones not expected to progress. Holland are a work in progress but they are still a very good team and will cause problems for Argentina. Italy are a few games off yet, Argentina's world cup offence trully starts with the Danes

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  • 169.
  • At 12:40 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Jamie Arkle wrote:

Judging by that performance last night I think Argentina have a real chance of going all way, that is by far the most free-flowing football this world cup have seen so far. They have strength in depth with the likes of Tevez and Messi and I think Messi should start the next game as he is a real talent and can take on 2 or 3 players on one run as he has showed so many times at Barcelona. Abbondanzieri also plays a part, his downfield kicks are amazing they nearly always go straight to the feet of the attacker, its going to take something special to beat this Argentinian team thats for sure

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  • 170.
  • At 12:43 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Anand Varatharaj wrote:

i wish i could get an adjective to describe the argentine game.....being an argentine fan for as far as i can remember.......i have never seen such team camaraderie in ages. and even after such a win, they have played down the expectations clearly showing they r not going to get complacent and they mean business. A very ominous sign for teams in their path.

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  • 171.
  • At 12:56 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • simon chaplin wrote:

As an England fan and a blinkered patriot I'll still be cheering the 3 Lions all the way (but how far is that Mr Eriksson ?).

But after watching Argentina the purist in me says I'd hate us to go on and win playing the sterile "Route 1 to Crouch, are you receiving, over" style of football.

Watch the video of Argentina vs S&M, Sven, and discover the art of TEAM play.

I'd like to see us play Diamond Attacking 4-4-2: Owen and Rooney up-front, Joe Cole and Aaron Lennon as genuine wingers. with Gerrard in an advanced midfield role and Beckham in a holding role in front of a Back 4 of Carragher, Terry, Ferdinand and Ashley Cole

Subs Lampard (needs a rest), Crouch (if we're trailing with 10 minutes to go),Hargreaves (if we're leading with 10 minutes to go), Downing + the GK

If we do face the Corned Beef Brigade we have a chance if we can hit them with pace. Rather lose in a 3-2 thriller(Remember Brazil-Italy in 1982 ?) than 1-0, with Sven raving about our defensive qualities and saying we'd have been stupid to have a go

Bring back Venables - best football we have played since 1970 was at Euro '96

am I completely barking ?

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  • 172.
  • At 12:57 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • simon chaplin wrote:

As an England fan and a blinkered patriot I'll still be cheering the 3 Lions all the way (but how far is that Mr Eriksson ?).

But after watching Argentina the purist in me says I'd hate us to go on and win playing the sterile "Route 1 to Crouch, are you receiving, over" style of football.

Watch the video of Argentina vs S&M, Sven, and discover the art of TEAM play.

I'd like to see us play Diamond Attacking 4-4-2: Owen and Rooney up-front, Joe Cole and Aaron Lennon as genuine wingers. with Gerrard in an advanced midfield role and Beckham in a holding role in front of a Back 4 of Carragher, Terry, Ferdinand and Ashley Cole

Subs Lampard (needs a rest), Crouch (if we're trailing with 10 minutes to go),Hargreaves (if we're leading with 10 minutes to go), Downing + the GK

If we do face the Corned Beef Brigade we have a chance if we can hit them with pace. Rather lose in a 3-2 thriller(Remember Brazil-Italy in 1982 ?) than 1-0, with Sven raving about our defensive qualities and saying we'd have been stupid to have a go

Bring back Venables - best football we have played since 1970 was at Euro '96

am I completely barking ?

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  • 173.
  • At 01:28 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Andreas wrote:

Diego and the Autobahn:

It's widely known that there is no general speed limit on German motorways (Autobahns). But that said you still need to apply common sense and recognize that there are speed limits in construction zones.

On his way to Gelsenkirchen yesterday Diego Maradonna was caught doing 120 kph in an 80kph construction zone, which in return caught him a 鈧200 fine...

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  • 174.
  • At 01:52 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Phil wrote:

Argentina were amazing, but..

That was by far the best team performances that i have seen so far in this world cup, and one of the best i've ever seen.

But once Argentina were 2-0 up it seemed as though Serbia and Montenegro (or S&M as Wrighty called them) had given up. As a sports person myself, i would have been utterly dissapointed with myself as when all else is lost there is still pride to play for.. I just couldn't understand how they could give up like that - it is the WORLD CUP afterall.

The best football we'll probably see all world cup. Hopefully the best from Argentina anyway, otherwise i'm scared.

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  • 175.
  • At 02:13 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

I have to say although i am a die hard english fan, if argentina continue to play that beautiful and effortless football i will be pleased for them to win the world cup. Riquelme just glides across the pitch spraying passes anyone else can only dream of doing. It just shows that the big punt to Peter Crouch is not the way for us to take this competition by strom. We need to spray it around and bring our best passer in, Michael Carrick then we will surely improve.

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  • 176.
  • At 02:42 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • ronnie wrote:

Argentina truely are the team of the tournament - I WISH I could be there to watch the game live and enjoy the party. It is interesting to note that Maradona believes Messi is the heir to his throne and despite the H of G good to see Diego enjoying his futbol again. I think that Messi could be the real thing and may take his team past his pal Ronnie and Brazil. Do you really think he is the new Maradona? Have a vote here:
Celina another Q for you - what is the word from the Argentine camp - do they believe this lad Messi can take them all the way?

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  • 177.
  • At 03:36 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

To Bruce and soccer being boring:
A beloved uncle of mine used to say that only dull people get bored easily. Fact is that most Americans have not learned (I am n o t saying they are fundamentally unable)to discover and enjoy the subtleties involved in soccer matches, even such with few goals or none at all. True, sometimes there a r e boring matches, too - just as, I suppose, in any other kind of ball sport.

Seriously, Bruce, the world would laugh at the USA's contempt of soccer - but the world does not even notice, busy watching the most exciting of all sports.

All this said, I have yet a candidate for an really intrinsically boring ball sport: baseball. I would rather watch someone fish.

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  • 178.
  • At 04:24 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Jimmy Carter wrote:

As an England fan this is very hard to say but the Argies were awesome, without a doubt the best team performance and goal I've ever witnessed in a WC. I think someone should play a tape of that to our lads, it might show them and Sven that possession football is the way to win a WC not pub team football. The second goal outlined the contrast between us and the Argies, they waited and waited for an opening before finally pouncing, us on the other handed would of maybe played three balls across the back before sensing the move was going nowhere before lumping it up field. Once again I applaud the Argies for displaying the beautiful game at its beautiful best on the world stage.

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  • 179.
  • At 05:12 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

Post#178 Matt

You should be banned from posting on this website.
You are advocating openly and wishing for people to break
Mr.Riquelme's leg in half. Now you see how much hate and poison you have in you.
Maybe if your team played class football you would not had to resort of breaking your oponents legs.

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  • 180.
  • At 06:32 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

Re: Stephen Blunt Post 180 on Matt Post 178:
Thank you, Stephen. I subscribe to everything you say there.

It is appalling how primitive some people can become, and telling how
desperate they can get when their desires are thwarted by the shortcomings of those they support.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for our (Germany) team, but I greatly admire Argentina's achievement and thank them for their marvellous contribution to a great contest.

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  • 181.
  • At 06:51 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • THEODORE wrote:

BUT ARGENTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE ITALIAN ROOTS

COME ON ARGENTINA!!!!

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  • 182.
  • At 07:26 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • matt wrote:

amazing how sarcasm passes right over the heads of some people.

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  • 183.
  • At 09:42 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • gonzalo wrote:

I'am an Argentinian professor, but not a blind nationalistic fanatic in any sense. Having said this, I also have to contest the poor opinion of one Matt, who openly displays his ignorance on the game. If you didn't notice on Friday, Riquelme did not touch the ball for quite a long time in the first half, at least he did not do any serious harm. It was Saviola, all the way who led the team to a stunning performance while on the field. So, Matt....get the English, or German, or Brazilian boys to go hunt Riquelme, and crush him if they want. In the meantime, the Little Rabbit (Saviola), Crespo and Maxi Rodriguez will split their mediocre defences apart, then leaving the spoils to Messi and Tevez to feast in the second half.
If you are going to analyse football, please make sure you know how to watch a game.

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  • 184.
  • At 09:48 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

To Pete (post 153)
You got your history wrong. In the 2002 WC it was not England who eliminated Argentina. In fact Argentina had to beat Sweden to get to the next reound and this did not happen, it was a draw.
The rivalry goes back to 1966 when England eliminated Argentina and later Argentina sent home England in 1986 and 1998.

Regarding Brazil, it is a fact that they won the 2005 Conf Cup final 4-1, but they fail to remember that 1st half in Buenos Aires that ended 3-0 for Argentina. Brazileans sure danced tango.
Any Brazil/Argentina match is totaly unpredictable and both sides know that.

Cheers.

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  • 185.
  • At 10:28 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

I read that some English posters disqualify any game for Argentina saying they are cheats. One even went to a ridiculous argument that the result should have been 2-0 (still better than the Dutch, uhh). Well, for those of you who rant about with the cheating mantra please watch this and comment

Is this the kind football you enjoy?

Cheers.

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  • 186.
  • At 11:59 PM on 17 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

Re: Post 183 - matt:
being a foreigner(German), I am not quite sure if my linguistic capacities are sufficient here, but I seem to understand that you, Matt, are saying your infamous entry suggesting breaking Riquelme's leg to save England was "sarcastic", i.e. satirical. If I got that right - what relief:

One English jingoist less, and one poor satirist more.

The human race can take a deep breath.

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  • 187.
  • At 12:07 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • matt wrote:

to 184

from your very own clarin.com

"Juan Rom谩n Riquelme tiene peso propio en este conjunto de Jos茅 Pekerman. Es el gran conductor, el de la salidas incre铆bles, el que hace jugar a todos, el que le impone su propio ritmo al equipo."

Or roughly

"Riquelme has a big influence on Pekerman's group. He's the conductor, the guy with the incredible touches, the one who makes everyone play, the one who imposes his own rythm on the team."

So yes. stop riquelme and you're a long way to stopping the rest of the team. saviola had a great game, as did the entire argentine team but none would have played quite so well without riquelme pulling the strings, with the ball and without it. He's a fantastic player to watch and i actually really like the guy, he's very humble and comes across as extremely courteous and even shy in his interviews. As an england fan, i just hope he goes missing like he did in both legs of the champions league semi final. I hope he's a big game choker, like the entire england team.

Argentina had a great game against a team that just didn't turn up. Everything went right for them, similar to england-germany 5-1 in munich, when everything we did just came off. next game we struggled to beat a poor greek team. i suspect we've seen the best of this argentine team and they'll go out in the 1/4s.

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  • 188.
  • At 12:12 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • matt wrote:

to 186

yeah, that's the kind of football we like. is this the kind of football you like?

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  • 189.
  • At 01:04 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • matt wrote:

i'd also add this to 184's response

but no, you're quite correct. I'm ignorant and don't know how to watch a game of football mr professor man.

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  • 190.
  • At 01:45 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

To all Argentina who say that Serbains are not a top team just look at their European Qualification game and then tell us how bad they are. The fact of the matter is that everybody were betting that Argentina is going to have a very hard time breaking down Serbian defence. THIS IS A FACT!!!
Another thing is that almost all Argentines play in top clubs and they now how to play lovley ball unlike ugly forceful English football.
English might very well win this world cup but they play very ugly football. This is known Internationaly. Get a grip and remeber that your Roony is only Roony in England outside of England he is nobody!

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  • 191.
  • At 01:59 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

Rolf from Germany:
Concerning matt:
I have always flattered myself at being a fairly good (amateur, to be sure) psychologist. But this matt renders me absolutely helpless. Can anyone assist? Please.

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  • 192.
  • At 02:14 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

Post Number 182 Theodore

You said that all Argentines are of Italian roots. You are dead wrong
Argentina is the nation of Immigrants they came from Spain,Italy,Portugal,Urkraine,Germany,Wales,Scotland,France,Armenia,Croatia,Sweden,Many Jewish People etc... etc.. etc..

Please get your fact right!

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  • 193.
  • At 02:53 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

argentina are in killer mood now, with the likes of messi, crespo, cambiasso, saviola, sorin, riquelme there is no stopping them they could go all the way to the finals with this kind of performance.brazil beware. this world cup has been full of great action and great goals. i am truly enjoying myself. fantastic football, scintillatint soccer. teams that i tip to go far are brazil, spain, argentina,italy

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  • 194.
  • At 02:54 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • wrote:

argentina are in killer mood now, with the likes of messi, crespo, cambiasso, saviola, sorin, riquelme there is no stopping them they could go all the way to the finals with this kind of performance.brazil beware. this world cup has been full of great action and great goals. i am truly enjoying myself. fantastic football, scintillatint soccer. teams that i tip to go far are brazil, spain, argentina,italy

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  • 195.
  • At 02:56 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

Sorry Matt take a look at this and ask your England boys to do this.
For some reason I can't see brute English team doing this sort of thing.
24 passes 1 goal = Priceless!!!!
Sorry buddy.

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  • 196.
  • At 03:17 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Andy wrote:

I'm Argentinian and I can`t tell you how we enjoyed watching our team playing so well and being so praised all over the world. Thank you for all the beautiful comments but there's a long way to the final. GO ARGENTINA!

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  • 197.
  • At 03:19 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Stephan Blunt wrote:

Rhapsody in sky-blue
17 June 2006
by FIFAworldcup.com

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Argentina鈥檚 football history is punctuated by a litany of memorable goals. At Mexico 1986, there was Maradona鈥檚 'hand of God' and subsequent mazy dribble against England, and everyone remembers Jorge Burruchaga鈥檚 fantastic finish to win the Trophy for the Albiceleste. Others argue for the inclusion of Claudio Caniggia鈥檚 stunning strike against Brazil in 1990.
Now another effort, in its conception every bit as brilliant as its predecessors, is about to find its way into the gallery of great Argentinian goals. Although Esteban Cambiasso鈥檚 superb strike against Serbia will forever carry his name, it will stand as a glorious example of team play at its finest.

In a move comprising fully 26 passes and involving nine different players, Argentina moved the ball from one end to another in the space of 57 seconds. The Serbia and Montenegrins could only look on in wonder as the sublime movement and technique of the South Americans ripped their feted defence to shreds.

The goal was almost balletic in its deadly execution. First Maxi Rodriguez, well inside Argentine territory, laid the ball back to Gabriel Heinze. From Heinze to Mascherano, from back to front, and from right to left; a perfect example of Argentinian artistry. Rodriguez was involved on five occasions, Mascherano and Riquelme four times each, while the hapless Serbia and Montenegrins were forced to play the role of hypnotised onlookers. Their agony was complete when, finally, with his third and most telling contribution to the move, Cambiasso stroked the ball home to spark wild celebration in Argentina and open-mouthed acclaim from the rest of the world.

Fittingly, it was the conductor of the Argentinian orchestra, Juan Roman Riquelme, who best summed up the importance of the strike. 鈥淲ith that goal," he said, "we showed what kind of team we are. When the squad is united, and we鈥檙e feeling good, these things happen. Knocking the ball around is what we like doing best.鈥

The football world waits expectantly for an encore.


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  • 198.
  • At 05:23 AM on 18 Jun 2006,
  • Eric Hoare wrote:

I'm Argentinian, and I have to say our boys impressed the heck out of me. I wasn't aware we had that kind of team play in us :) Anyways, thank you for all the beautiful comments people, it means a lot to us in Argentina, we are extremely proud of our team.

P.S. Here is the second goal that IMO was the most beautifull thing I've seen... probably in any football match. The music actually allows for better understanding into just how fluid the passes were, amazing.

Oh and please disregard the rude comments posted about that video, some people just don't have enough sense to be polite.

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  • 199.
  • At 05:48 PM on 19 Jun 2006,
  • Andrew wrote:

I've not read all the comments so maybe this has been discussed above - but was Crespo's goal an own goal?

I watched the reply several times and I don't think he touched it. I think the defender put it in.

After the goal Crespo turns an runs to congratulate his team mate for the delivery. I think he knew it was not his goal.

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  • 200.
  • At 04:56 PM on 20 Jun 2006,
  • Franco wrote:

I'm Argentinian, and I want to make some comments about our last match againts S&M.
I think that Argetnina played a good game and everything went ok, of course not as expected, but better.
We also have to think that in the second half we played agaisnt 10 players and S&M were trying to attack more ane more, that situation made Argentina score three more times.
Finally i want to say that ti was only a game and we can't reach a big conclusion, saying for examnple that Argentina is going to win the WC,they just played well.
We have to be more conservative and as one coach said once " Step by Spep" and at the end we will know.

I hope Argentina make a good performance in this WC, better than the last one, and if we can make Brazil go home at semifinals i will be more than happy.


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  • 201.
  • At 04:58 PM on 20 Jun 2006,
  • Franco wrote:

I'm Argentinian, and I want to make some comments about our last match againts S&M.
I think that Argetnina played a good game and everything went ok, of course not as expected, but better.
We also have to think that in the second half we played agaisnt 10 players and S&M were trying to attack more ane more, that situation made Argentina score three more times.
Finally i want to say that ti was only a game and we can't reach a big conclusion, saying for examnple that Argentina is going to win the WC,they just played well.
We have to be more conservative and as one coach said once " Step by Spep" and at the end we will know.

I hope Argentina make a good performance in this WC, better than the last one, and if we can make Brazil go home at semifinals i will be more than happy.


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  • 202.
  • At 04:59 PM on 20 Jun 2006,
  • Franco wrote:

I'm Argentinian, and I want to make some comments about our last match againts S&M.
I think that Argetnina played a good game and everything went ok, of course not as expected, but better.
We also have to think that in the second half we played agaisnt 10 players and S&M were trying to attack more ane more, that situation made Argentina score three more times.
Finally i want to say that ti was only a game and we can't reach a big conclusion, saying for examnple that Argentina is going to win the WC,they just played well.
We have to be more conservative and as one coach said once " Step by Spep" and at the end we will know.

I hope Argentina make a good performance in this WC, better than the last one, and if we can make Brazil go home at semifinals i will be more than happy.


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  • 203.
  • At 10:13 PM on 21 Jun 2006,
  • Salvador aka Argie wrote:

I am an Argentine writer living in Argentina.
On the one hand I'd like to stress that the 6-0 will 'serb' the other teams well: they'll have to show some respect in future; on the other hand, I would in principle agree with Mr ndlovu's opinion that African teams are seeing the worst side of referees but I actually feel that the bias extends almost imperceptibly to all non-Europeans.
As a matter of fact, FIFA is a stock companies' world federation whose shareholders, who invest huge amounts of dough to finance this Football Fans' World Party, surely have a saying in everything.
They settle to make big business out of this event and nothing, listen, nothing could be allowed that may marr if even slightly their operation.
The problem is for the teams and for the countries that bring them here. Not for us fans (River Plate in Argentina and the Gunners in England) who'll try to get the best out of it: we'll suffer, we'll enjoy each and every goal of our national team and cry hell whenever we think we're being ill-treated by referees or linesmen.
I hope to cross swords with England, a match that can make all the difference. Traditionally, we hate English teams (England to many of us means also Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) and we only want to humiliate them, our original teachers... just as when we play schoolboys against professors in families' day.
Btw, how does Britain to get four teams to play in all cups? It looks as cheating, isn't it?...

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  • 204.
  • At 10:53 PM on 21 Jun 2006,
  • Salvador aka Argie wrote:

I am an Argentine writer living in Argentina.
On the one hand I'd like to stress that the 6-0 will 'serb' the other teams well: they'll have to show some respect in future; on the other hand, I would in principle agree with Mr ndlovu's opinion (message 53 above) that African teams are seeing the worst side of referees but I actually feel that the bias extends almost imperceptibly to all non-Europeans.
As a matter of fact, FIFA is a stock companies' world federation whose shareholders, who invest huge amounts of dough to finance this Football Fans' World Party, surely have a saying in everything.
They settle to make big business out of this event and nothing, listen, nothing could be allowed that may marr if even slightly their operation.
The problem is for the teams and for the countries that bring them here. Not for us fans (River Plate in Argentina and the Gunners in England) who'll try to get the best out of it: we'll suffer, we'll enjoy each and every goal of our national team and cry hell whenever we think we're being ill-treated by referees or linesmen.
I hope to cross swords with England, a match that can make all the difference. Traditionally, we hate English teams (England to many of us means also Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) and we only want to humiliate them, our original teachers... just as when we play schoolboys against professors in families' day.
Btw, how does Britain to get four teams to play in all cups? It looks as cheating, isn't it?...

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  • 205.
  • At 02:54 PM on 26 Jun 2006,
  • Brad wrote:

hi tom gav and rus! i finally did it and i think the game was not very good

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  • 206.
  • At 05:12 PM on 02 Jul 2006,
  • DR.Stanley Buba wrote:

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