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Tuesday 9 February 2010

Verity Murphy | 16:18 UK time, Tuesday, 9 February 2010

UPDATE - HERE'S EMILY WITH MORE DETAIL ON TONIGHT'S PROGRAMME:


Markets are extraordinary things. Today, someone got on a plane a bit early and the euro rose.

Ok, it wasn't just someone; it was the president of the European Central Bank. He left Australia over concerns the European currency was in dire straits, and Greece would need a bail out. Miraculously the euro rose on news he was heading home. Sweet, really.

Greece - which lies within the Eurozone - needs rescuing pretty badly. Last month, its parliament agreed to cut the country's debt from 13% of GDP to just 3% within three years.

I'm not sure what the Greek is for savage cuts, but I'm pretty sure everyone in Greece does by now.

Will the big beasts of Europe - France and Germany - agree to a costly bailout for Greece, a second tier economy they don't much trust anyway? And is it the beginning of the end of the euro project if they don't?

We have the Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who has advised the Greek government, and the hedge fund wallah Hugh Hendry to tell us what happens now.

Would you call someone a "queer gayboy faggot" on the way to work? Ok, that was rhetorical, actually. We don't really want to know, but the point being made by the FA in a new video is that the homophobic language of the terraces would sound jaw-dropping if transposed onto the ordinary commute to work.

You won't see this video anywhere else as it has been deemed too blunt to pass muster, but a copy has been leaked to Newsnight.

Tonight we discuss strong ad techniques and sports fan homophobia with a 6'11 gay former NBA star from Manchester.

We also have a film from Iran monitoring the green opposition movement's tactics ahead of Thursday's rally showdown.

Thanks for all those of you who've had a look at my Virtually There diary. We're going to incorporate some of your suggestions into this week's column. No, not the one about scrapping it.

Best wishes,
Emily


Entry from 1107GMT:

Currently our top story is the market pressure on the Euro and the risk of contagion. What can/will Europe do? Is there a lack of will or a lack rules?

As we approach the anniversary of the Iranian revolution this week, Tim Whewell asks what has been happening in the recent period of political unrest and how much of a threat to the government it is. Are we seeing a slow moving revolution or not? He speaks to contributors both inside and outside Iran.

And we are looking at efforts to combat homophobia in football.

More details later.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    paul

    Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal that legally circumvented the EU Maastricht deficit rules.



  • Comment number 2.

    'And we are looking at efforts to combat homophobia in football'

    Are straight males 'homophobic'? Do heterosexuals have a problem? Has our liberal society gone nuts?

    Is suggesting that 'nut-phobic'?

  • Comment number 3.

    What's the likelihhod of appearing on the programme in its true context tonight?:

    'The real story behind the decision by Hector Sants to quit as chief executive of the Financial Services Authority, the City regulator, is that there is no story. When, with immaculate timing, his predecessor, John Tiner, quit just before the banking crisis hit, Mr Sants said he would do the job for three years but no longer. By the time he leaves in the summer, he will have been as good as his word.'

    Telegraph 9th Feb 2010.

    We should keep an eye on Lord Turner - sinecure/Yellow Brick Road magician extraordinaire.

    The ACA fiasco was just a distraction for the angry mob.... surely?

  • Comment number 4.

    CONTAGIOUS, AUTHENTIC PHOBIC-GATE PROBE

    #2

    "...Is suggesting that 'nut-phobic'?"

    Maybe. Or could be liberal-phobic (note small l)

  • Comment number 5.

    "PUT HIM IN A SCANNER WITH A 'HOSE PIPE' ON HIM" (modern sea shanty)

    Phobia? An irrational fear?

    Lets put a few random heteros in the scanner, and show them pictures of a variety of anathemic scenes. Then, perhaps, we can 'define our terms' and have an informed discussion.

    Hello sailor!

  • Comment number 6.

    I'm feeling the hand of censorship on my shoulder these days. "yeah, you can't say that"..."but why not? I'm only telling the truth"

    I'll try again: A high ranking police officer is found guilty of behaviour not normally expected from a high ranking police officer, a MET commander. This MET Commander had some form; questionable behaviour shall we say. I think he even wrote a book about his 'struggle' as a minority police officer. Anyhow, he's been sent to prison - 4yrs. Now maybe I have a sixth sense but I felt this Police officer - of high rank - was a bit dodgy to say the least, given his form. I have assumed that people felt the same way I do about this fella. Why was this police officer allowed to rise through the ranks of the MET?...answer: Political correctness - cowardness.

    Someone has complained about Emily not wearing cloths or something...I must have missed that show because the Emily I watched last night wore a black and white horizontal skirt and no more than an inch above the Knee and a cardigan with good stout shoes. This complainer suggested that Emily should "cover herself up". yeah! what with..a burka!

    Mind you though, The Newsnight front page has a picture of Emily looking a bit like she's just fallen out of a Littlewoods catalogue. Can I be so bold in suggesting that you change this picture. An Emily holding a note pad with a pencil behind her ear..I mean er, she is a Journalist.

  • Comment number 7.

    Hector Sands

    'before becoming chief executive he was head of wholesale supervision at the FSA'

    Kautilya Nandan Pruthi
    John Cecil Anderson
    Kenneth Alun Peacock

    Are alleged to have conducted the biggest Ponzi fraud in UK history. Between the three of them they had 41 bank accounts (HSBC) Pruthi is alleged to have had serious criminal convictions in the US for fraud. The FSA only brought the activities of these three to a halt with a consensual freezing order (late 2008) after 'investors' who were not getting their 'interest' payments alerted the FSA. So why didn't the bank spot the alleged fraud, why was Pruthi allowed a business bank account in the first place with his alleged criminal record ? Where was the FSA supervision on HSBC ?

    All of the above is in the public domain.

  • Comment number 8.

    #6

    Kevsey

    "...........Mind you though, The Newsnight front page has a picture of Emily looking a bit like she's just fallen out of a Littlewoods catalogue."

    Let's be fair, I think it was closer to Kaleidoscope or Madeleine (more eurochic) than Littlewoods.

    Anyway, she's in Showbiz innit?

  • Comment number 9.

    6. kevseywevsey - It's the conditioning KW, it's the conditioning....

    The 'offending' shots were about 43 minutes in. I had to look away to protect myself from emerging 'sexist' animal urges (for which I would have had to immediately report myself!).

    to jauntycyclist and your mills though: Who is this person ? Fortunately, from the comments, it would seem that sense still prevails amongst most of the Post's USA, Europe and Israeli readership. I suspect Israel just doesn't want any competition on the nukes front? Or maybe it's any competition full stop? Maybe we should try this? Anyone any bright ideas?

    We don't appear to have enough fear-mongering.

  • Comment number 10.

    So what's the deal with last Thursday's episode still not being available on iPlayer? Is this just a technical fault, or is there any truth to the rumours in some parts of the blogosphere that it's a response to threats of legal action by Tim Yeo?

    In the spirit of openness and transparency, I think we should be told.

  • Comment number 11.

    'Israel 'should consider' military action'


    On Radio 4's Today programme early this morning, Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak advised that the only way to take out Iran's nuclear capability would be by the use of land forces. Air attacks would only be able to partially incapacitate Iran's nuclear ability as most of Iran's nuclear facilities have been built deep underground.

    It's looking a lot more and more like it will be accomplished via a US led (or should that read Israeli led) pincer movement...as fortold by the Rt. Rev. Tony Blair.

  • Comment number 12.

    'IZATION' BEGINS AT HOME Mr BROWN

    I just caught our Glorious Leader crowing about his pride in our squaddies, and how they will deliver Afghanistan to the owners, through 'afghanization'.

    When the troops come home (!) might they deliver Britain back to the Brits?

  • Comment number 13.

    paul

    watch the usa unemployment map go black

    The Geography of a Recession



    better version here

  • Comment number 14.

    12

    afghanisation ie shariah law? islamification?

    what happened to the womens rights, cappucinos and garlic bread in the piazza model of statehood?

    so uk troops are at risk to bring in shariah?

    and people think philosophy [what you think the highest idea of the mind is] doesn't matter. a skill that can be neglected. that any mumbo jumbo philosophy will do. that they are all 'equal'. which is the philosophy of the moral relativists that leads to nihilism and uk troops fighting stupid wars for confused reasons.

  • Comment number 15.

    ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE JAUNTY? (#12)

    My hand-granades are pink. What colour was the one you caught?

  • Comment number 16.

    barriesingleton - I suggest you start a party - THE INDEPENDENTS' PARTY. It'd have to be statist to work, but would that be legal after Lisbon?

    Serious suggestions/questions.

  • Comment number 17.

    'Would you call someone a "queer gayboy faggot" on the way to work?'

    No more than I'd call someone 'fatty' for being fat, or 'four-eyes' for wearing glasses.

    Surely the interesting question is to ask why it is offensive to state what is true?

    Why do being get offended by people calling out words which accurately describe us if it is true?

    This deserves some thought I suggest. If there's nothing to be ashamed of, why is it offensive? Calling someone 'fatty' could under some circumstances be a kindness if it induced the target to lose weight, as being fat is bad for one's health, telling them they're not fat would be cruel. There's no point calling someone 'four-eyes'.

    I suggest these sensitivities may just eccentric symptoms of our human mendacity, vanity and weak sense of self. Realism is usually healthy.

  • Comment number 18.

    The Euro movement is probably based on some computer program reading names off news stories then buying stuff. President of the European Central Bank = buy buy buy. Do not pass Go! do not collect 拢200.

    Most things that happen at football matches would be bizarre on the way to work.
    The Generation Kill TV series had a fantastic explaination for why this kind of intense sledging happens - I think it might have been one of the end quotes. It's around picking at any weakness that the other person might percieve in themself. Of course if you're a marine it's important to have both some kind of hierarchy and to know that no-one has any soft points and for both reasons you are going to incessantly break each other's balls.

  • Comment number 19.

    savage measures - 维纬蟻喂慰蟼 渭苇蟿蟻伪
    The Greek press that Ive read use 'austere' - aust膿ros

  • Comment number 20.

    Why is the war in Afghanistan being compared to the Falkands war in terms of loses?

    The Falkands lasted three months.
    Afghanistan has being going on for five years.
    So the amount of losses in the current war is quite good compared with
    the Falklands.

    Yet why are the media using this as a way to report deaths?
    It is a nonsense. It is not a competition.

  • Comment number 21.

    Emily's made it to the front pages of The Daily Mail now!

    Source:

    It's about Emily's skirt last night :o)

  • Comment number 22.

    Homophobia in football

    Rather than limit the attack to homophobia, why not widen it to include the disturbing trend nowadays of young accompanied children making obscene gestures and using foul language, one hopes in ignorant imitation rather than the full knowledge of what the offending phrases mean.

    I understand that they're following the "example" of those who are with them, be they fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles, whatever; some effort is needed to nip it in the bud,though, otherwise the sad cycle continues.

    I don't understand why it is allowed to hurl all kinds of abuse at the players and get away with it; and the source of abuse is not contained within the lumpen element.

    I have been to hospitality events where well dressed, well spoken men and women turn to howling hyenas after a few free fizzes but only once in 24 years have I seen the hosts take any positive action to stop the abuse.

    I've watched football for 43 years and been to games all over Europe and it's not just UK experiencing these unwelcome phenomena.

    One of my pals says it's down to the increasing alienation of spectators from the club, but that doesn't really explain the vitriolic racism in evidence now at La Liga games, almost exclusively against black players.

    It does, I suspect, have something to do with envy at the celebrity status and all that goes with it, the cash, the girls etc.

    It seems ages ago that Luis Figo refused to take corners for Real against Barcelona, after a pig's head lobbed from the crowd narrowly missed him at the corner flag.

    Where's the humour gone?

  • Comment number 23.

    20; unfortunately it's another symptom of the increasingly desperate scrabble for "news" in a continuously "just breaking" format.

    I don't know about you, but I do not want spurious comparisons made for my behalf so that the "issues" are "clarified" for me. I will make my own mind up, thanks, once the situation has been concisely described within context.

    Instead we get Laura Kuensberg giving us her own opinions at the end of her pieces to camera and various other presenters shaking their heads in (mock?)/disbelief at what they have to tell us.

    Or it's the classic "just breaking" by-line after a list of rhetorical questions - "Well, we just don't know."

    How true, Ms Toner, how true.

  • Comment number 24.

    Breaking news

    Nato troops readying for a big fight...everybody knows, even Bob "Huckleberry Hound" Ainsworth...spokesman for Taliban says they're grateful for the tip-off...what could be the significance of all this, Mark?

    "Well, we just don't know, Jeremy."

  • Comment number 25.

    Stiglitz

    He may well be a friend of Gordi but the man don't half talk sense.

  • Comment number 26.

    23. kashibeyaz 'I don't know about you, but I do not want spurious comparisons made for my behalf so that the "issues" are "clarified" for me. I will make my own mind up, thanks, once the situation has been concisely described within context.

    Instead we get Laura Kuensberg giving us her own opinions at the end of her pieces to camera and various other presenters shaking their heads in (mock?)/disbelief at what they have to tell us.'

    A widely shared view amongst the over 40s (at least) I suggest.

    Here's an explanation: the reason why we see and hear so much of this behaviour is quite literally because most people today no longer know for sure what the difference is between reporting, and making things up. That is, they no longer know how to discern true from false statements. This, I suggest, is the result of years of subversive post-modern higher education, where everying is allegedly a matter of 'interpretation'. This, sadly, has, over time, insidiously filtered all the way down into our schools and families.

    It is subversive - but it gets people talking, arguing etc. To some it's infuriating.

  • Comment number 27.

    #22Kashibeyaz wrote:

    Homophobia in football

    Rather than limit the attack to homophobia, why not widen it to include the disturbing trend nowadays of young accompanied children making obscene gestures and using foul language, one hopes in ignorant imitation rather than the full knowledge of what the offending phrases mean.

    I understand that they're following the "example" of those who are with them, be they fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles, whatever; some effort is needed to nip it in the bud,though, otherwise the sad cycle continues.

    I don't understand why it is allowed to hurl all kinds of abuse at the players and get away with it; and the source of abuse is not contained within the lumpen element.

    I have been to hospitality events where well dressed, well spoken men and women turn to howling hyenas after a few free fizzes but only once in 24 years have I seen the hosts take any positive action to stop the abuse.

    I've watched football for 43 years and been to games all over Europe and it's not just UK experiencing these unwelcome phenomena.

    One of my pals says it's down to the increasing alienation of spectators from the club, but that doesn't really explain the vitriolic racism in evidence now at La Liga games, almost exclusively against black players.

    It does, I suspect, have something to do with envy at the celebrity status and all that goes with it, the cash, the girls etc.

    It seems ages ago that Luis Figo refused to take corners for Real against Barcelona, after a pig's head lobbed from the crowd narrowly missed him at the corner flag.

    Where's the humour gone?

    ------------------------------

    You just don't get it do you!

    You are the architypal 'anti-football' plastic fan.

    Football represents english society... at its most basic, tribalist and nationalistic ferver!

    Are you English and proud...probably not if you've watched most of your footbal from a hospitality box.

    You have never played real football?

    Let's face it....you are probably a spurs fan!

  • Comment number 28.

    tony is not a force for good? given he used his iraq inquiry time to hollywoodise about the 'coming threat of iran' it seems other people have deep needs to fantasize?

    tony took us into a war of aggression and now he thinks we are ungrateful and defective for asking why?

  • Comment number 29.

    Kashibeyaz

    I just watched another british soldier die on TV tonight, shown on News at 10 on 麻豆官网首页入口, all for YOUR lot. He stepped on a mine...but could not be rescued before stepping off it when it exploded.

    So much for YOUR human rights!

  • Comment number 30.

    Greece has JProf Joseph Stiglitz advising them! (an arch free-market fundamentalist [aka a fox looking after the chicken coop])

    GOD HELP GREECE!

  • Comment number 31.

    30. freemarketanarchy - You know how the Nobel for economics came about? Why has it been disproportionately awarded to a people who, throughout history, have been so relentlessly persecuted?

    Which is the most liberal nation in Europe today, and what did they have to do with the East and West Indies, Protestantism, the English Civil War, the demise of Catholicism, and freedom from the regulating nation state?

  • Comment number 32.

    The man in the red glasses with the 12-year-old boy's haircut - was he drunk, or just very, very bad mannered?

  • Comment number 33.

    This is exactly what WOTW predicted.

    Kraft to close Cadbury plant it offered to keep open


    It's also exactly what ALEXANDER CURZON and JadedJean predicted.

    Enough is enough!....we need to start doing something about this...and something soon!

  • Comment number 34.

    It's always a horribly cringe-making moment whenever Newsnight steps away from its middle-class, middle-aged territory. In this case it's football, when Emily Matlis smugly said "the fact the only gay footballer to come out twenty years ago killed himself says it all". Well it doesn't actually, as it was long after he retired and he was fleeing a serious sex charge. He had long term mental problems, and you might as well say he killed himself over the trauma of growing up black in Norwich.
    But no, draw simplistic conclusions about it all being down to oiky football plebs.

  • Comment number 35.

    You just can't make this crap up!

    Labour's 'secret plan' to lure migrants


    I have never voted Tory, Labour or anyone else, the whole system is crap!

  • Comment number 36.

    NN has people from the Neocon American Enterprise Institute talking about Iran after they agitated for war against Iraq based on WMD, and when that wasn't found come up with things like this-

    Why Iraq's Weapons Don't Matter


    Why not just get on Tony Blair or some nutty Israeli settler, it would be far more entertaining for them to agitate for regime change within Iran that these people. Perhaps NN has forgotten it's master, a certain Herr Goebbels, from Germany no less, he knew the value of presenting a lie in the most striking way, NN on the other hand just has a bunch of people, some known by the public to lie for a living, pontificating as if after Iraq we are just stupid sheep to be placated by a meadow of new lush grass, or lies as the case may be.

    It was nice to see Frank Zappa talk about economics. And yes, Greece is in trouble, so is Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Italy in the Eurozone, outside there is Britain, USA, Japan and a host of others. I have noticed more of the sheep begin to mention gold as a safe bet, and every time they do, I remind them of the old addage, when you think you need gold, you'll need lead more.

  • Comment number 37.

    FILM OF VISCERALLY ANGRY BLOKE BEING NIHILISTICALLY ANGRY. BRAVO!

    And in the studio, Sue Law ('Head of Equality' - mind of a woman) serenely believing she has a handle on Angry Bloke. Oh dear.

    Angry bloke can get angry ABOUT ANYTHING Sue - particularly if he perceives DIFFERENCE. Most angry blokes change beyond recognition when their Testosterone declines.

    Incidentally - was he supposed to be homoPHOBIC? By definition possessed of an irrational fear? I don't think so.

    Women should not presume to know anything about young male anger. Ask us nicely, and we will try to explain - then you can tell us about the pain of childbirth. After that we can all have a nice cup of tea.

    As for those trying to tame the devil in man, you are going to have to be a lot smarter than you currently appear to be. Until you understand male half of 'The Ape Confused by Language' (and now deranged through Feminism) you will get nowhere.

  • Comment number 38.

    WHAT BETTER PROOF THAT POLITICS IS ALL A GAME? (#35 link)

    When I was a laboratory chemist, I would mix things together, on a whim. If it didn't work, it just went down the drain. Ah!

    While Westminster, it's chosen denizens and its vile ethos, endure, we are going down the drain.

  • Comment number 39.

    37. barriesingleton 'Incidentally - was he supposed to be homoPHOBIC? By definition possessed of an irrational fear? I don't think so.'

    Many people understand why people don't don't like paedophilia or paraphilias, but oddly, not why many people don't like sodomy.

    As you say, there's little or no reasoning going on here, it's emotional (irrational). There's no telling lots of people that, they just get emotional.

    The stuff people shout at refs too! Are they refophobics? Perhaps it will stop if more people shout at them - REFOPHOBIC!! Or if equalities people make well researched 'viral films' saying as much?

    32. TwoDeadQueens 'The man in the red glasses with the 12-year-old boy's haircut - was he drunk, or just very, very bad mannered?'

    Yes, it was one of those venal people who make money out of the free-market. They're all very bad mannered. They are also known as libertarians.

  • Comment number 40.

    38. At 11:50pm on 09 Feb 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    WHAT BETTER PROOF THAT POLITICS IS ALL A GAME? (#35 link)

    When I was a laboratory chemist, I would mix things together, on a whim. If it didn't work, it just went down the drain. Ah!

    While Westminster, it's chosen denizens and its vile ethos, endure, we are going down the drain.

    ---------------
    Barrie....you were, at least, slightly technical!
    Thank God you were never fully technical!


    Statist's breadth of knowlegde is unsurpassed...don't you think?

  • Comment number 41.

    Iran piece - Is the 麻豆官网首页入口 still encouraging regime change by any means? Isn't that illegal or at least provocative? How do we know any of that mobile phone video/audio footage is 'authentic' by the way?

    Shouldn't you be trying to encourage peace and harmony?

    Please, no more Human Rights lawyers with prizes! And yes, we know the Iranian state owns stuff - it's the done thing in statist countries, that's the idea! Oddly, they seem to think that the Western free-market is evil, Satanic or Faustian even. Have they been watching the Credit Crunch stuff? Do they watch Newsnight on Greece etc??

  • Comment number 42.

    'The fear is rooted in the simple analysis of economists like Gerard Lyons, of Standard Chartered: "For monetary union to survive, it has to become political union." And that is a stick of dynamite....

    ...And there lies the rub. For national governments retain control over economic and fiscal policy. They could not surrender those powers without massive debate. Any idea of reviving the idea of political union would be hugely controversial and a crisis for the EU. The Union has just ended eight years of argument about institutions. "We now have the structures for the 21st Century," I have been repeatedly told....

    ..In the Financial Times Nouriel Roubini, who made his reputation predicting the credit crunch, made this observation: That unless the EU worked out a way of dealing with individual states' problems then doubts about the euro's sustainability will return time and again. And that's the fear that lies behind the current turmoil.'


    From Gavin Hewitt's Europe Blog Mon 8th Feb 2010

    So, we've had the Lisbon Treaty as a kind of watered down political EU Constitution, and now we get warnings - e.g. Iceland, Ireland and Greece (with Spain and Portugal in the wings), about what happens if we don't have political union to prevent 'rogue' nation states doing as they wish at the expense of other members.

    Clearly, what we all must want (unconsciously) is a single EU government which can legislate in the interest of the unfettered free-market, giving us more Human Rights and proscribing any form of protectionist tyranny, like that which put the Means of Production etc into the hands of the state, e.g. like the evil USSR empire, China, France or .....well... anywhere which might take it upon itself to regulate the banks and multinationals etc. So what we need is more and West India Companies etc, you know, multinationals!!

  • Comment number 43.

    35. freemarketanarchy - from your link:

    'Jack Straw, who was home secretary when the paper was drawn up, has adamantly denied any secret plot and insisted that he had been tough on immigration.'

    No change there then? He's evidently a dab hand at this diplomatic/legal language/interpretion etc.

    Just as well we can't see inside his head eh?

    Fortunately there is an antidote - just go by actions/behaviour and its outcomes/consequences. Hold people accountable for what they do whilst in office, i.e what happens, regardless of their stated intentions.

  • Comment number 44.

    So can the Labour Party be sued for treason?



    Surely to propagate the invasion of our country is tantamount to giving our country away. They seem excellent at that, they are forcing Iraq and Afganistan to change to a democratic system, and forcing us to become a third world country.

    And a few more problems that Labour have forced upon us!



  • Comment number 45.

    ooopps pressed post to soon.... more problems coming out of the woodwork...





    So our bank won't lend to us!

    What was that British jobs for British workers, since that statement two years ago our wonderful Labour government have issued another 1.3 million NI numbers to foreign workers, are they completely barking mad?!!!

    I HATE and LOATH Labour I will never vote for them again ever.

  • Comment number 46.

    And I QUOTE...

    An absolute scandal. Yet where has the 麻豆官网首页入口 been on this? Where are the Panorama programmes on this? Where are the documentaries? The radio exposes, the hard-hitting exchanges on the Today programme?

    The 麻豆官网首页入口's role has been much worse than a journalistic dereliction of duty?
    It has been a party to this disgraceful secret strategy and provided covering propaganda at all times.
    - Fred Kite, Notts, 10/2/2010 3:46
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  • Comment number 47.

    45. ecolizzy 'I HATE and LOATH Labour I will never vote for them again ever.'

    Don't you mean NEW Labour? As in Neo Labour, i.e as in Neo-Conservative? if you are a disciple of Satan, you put NEW in front of something and it seems to turn into its opposite.

    See New England and New York.

    I think freemarketanarchy and others may on to something with that discovery of diversity ('disorders'), this time showing up as 'no tears when crying'. That's two of them now (although the one FMA reported tended to bump folk off by the time they were 30 - but not the carriers). I was always puzzled about all that blood-testing in USA sitcoms etc.

  • Comment number 48.

    44

    i read that in the 1970s and have stated here several times that was the policy behind mass migration. the idea of the revolutionary socialists was to use mass migration to so weaken the unity of the state to create the right conditions of unrest and suspicion so their revolution plan to ferment unrest had a better chance of sweeping away the capitalist mafia.

    as nations are created out of a common feeling from a group of people the best way to destroy a state is to destroy that common feeling. One way to do that is inject a lot of people who have their own different common feeling.

    and its working. we now spend billions a year in internal security against british born people who identify themselves not with the uk but with foreign states or extreme religious mindsets.

    treason only relates to who is head of state. which is why trashing the uk or even selling its people into economic slavery is not treason. its not even a crime.

    which is why we need a new national oath and new treason laws that relate to defending all the people and their rights and not just one family of hereditary role gamers and their supporters who think they have been ordained by god to be our genetic betters.

  • Comment number 49.

    #48 as nations are created out of a common feeling from a group of people the best way to destroy a state is to destroy that common feeling. One way to do that is inject a lot of people who have their own different common feeling.

    A very very true statement JC, this has been quietly brought on us by stealth, I still find people who have no understanding of this, their heads are so buried in the celebrity junk, and dumbed down TV, and the endless little recycle of the same news, they have NO IDEA whats happening.

    I know this is old news, but it says it all. I live in a Christain/secular area, if two muslim preachers came here and started spouting, we would politely listen, or say no thank you, I can't see the local community police officer telling them to go away it's a christain area, can you?!

    Of course JJ was right, we stopped having babies, again by the government admonishing us all to work, to beef up profits. And now we end up here

    And with 25 percent of new babies born to mothers from overseas, what a strange way to run a country. Stopped the locals from having babies, work is the objective, and then encourage newcomers to have them instead, social engineering anyone?!

    And did you see what Andrew Green said One point to consider is the impact on the electorate. It is not generally realised that
    Commonwealth citizens legally in Britain acquire the right to vote in general elections as soon as they put their names on the electoral register.

    In Labour years we have now seen an additional 300,000 from the Old Commonwealth and about one million from the New Commonwealth.


    Not a lot of people realise that, in fact they are aghast and say no that's not possible, and don't believe me, but I've known it for years.




  • Comment number 50.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 51.

    48. jauntycyclist 'i read that in the 1970s and have stated here several times that was the policy behind mass migration. the idea of the revolutionary socialists was to use mass migration to so weaken the unity of the state to create the right conditions of unrest and suspicion so their revolution plan to ferment unrest had a better chance of sweeping away the capitalist mafia.'

    Don't forget though, in the USSR in the 1920s-1930s there was a lot of internal fighting between so-called 'socialists' where one group comprised statists who wanted to build, and the other were internationalists who....well, we know what they do. The same was the case in the 70s and 80s in the Labour Party, remember Militant? In the USSR the former were very like Old Labour which is where they got many of their better ideas from i.e. from British socialists - people who just believed in a welfare state where everyone was to work for each other, i.e the state, which made everyone a 'worker' - i.e. it wasn't about everyone being the same, on the contrary, it had a place for each of us according to one's abilities. The idea that work set one free was not sinister, it was about finding something for people to do that was in their and everyone else's interest.

    I think one has to be careful not to lump all under the same political rubric, though I suspect you do appreciate that?

    Once again, thanks for the interesting posts.

  • Comment number 52.

    iran

    i see bibi is saying iran should face crippling sanctions because of its '鈥榖razen defiance鈥 of the international community'.

    should crippling sanctions apply to all countries that exhibit 'brazen defiance' un resolutions?

    or only muslim ones?

  • Comment number 53.

    LABOUR (specific) CHICANERY IS JUST A SYMPTOM (#45)

    In 1995, I wrote (for the attention of Rowntree Trust): "Our view of what is worthwhile, and the ways in which we measure success and value, have destroyed what tenuous stability there was, and the sum-total of competence (particularly parenting) declines with each birth. This is now an epidemic out of control."

    British/Westminster governance is the 'reservoir' - the sick seat - of our malaise. And its terrible spawn - pick one at random (you know the names) are 'carriers' with the wrong goals, values and drives coursing through their blood while they flaunt immunity. ('Expenses' was a minor blip.)

    Since 1995, the typical voter (those that still turn out) is even more available to manipulation by the 'Westminster-OK' use of obscene war chests to fight dirty, at election. (This WAS exposed on TV - Labour's 'ops room'.)
    At Westminster ANYTHING GOES. I make no apology in repeating that when I stood for Parliament, in 2005 - asked what I would do if elected - I replied, in essence, "CHALLENGE THE VERY ETHOS". Recent disclosures, and much more now in the public domain, show WESTMINSTER AND THE CAUSES OF WESTMINSTER.
    We can watch the more overt of the vile practices in parliament (and the equally vile practitioners, braying, snarling and even chattering - oblivious. Metaphorical gunpowder is the ONLY way out of this bind. Shame is now too wet to ignite - an outmoded concept in a crap world. Is ridicule al we have left?

    I shall be on the streets of Newbury soon, mocking both cipher-MPs and voters alike. Anyone with a better approach - speak up.

    Whatever else you do: SPOIL PARTY GAMES

  • Comment number 54.

    50

    the dumping of ashes into rivers already happens. see leceister.

    anyone else dumping ashes into rivers would be called a fly tipper and fined.

    its part of the mass migration design to create lots of mini aparthieds in society and so break up the unity of 'all equal before the law'

    which is why sikhs now are saying they have a right to carry knives. yet anyone else walking about with a knife would be charged with carrying an offensive weapon. they already don't have to wear helmets.

    its a creeping apartheid that is a natural consequence of the moral relavatists nihilst vision of society.

  • Comment number 55.

    bbc

    squabbling about a few tens of millions here or there for the meagre stipends of hard working devoted professionals is an example of the worst sort of penny pinching envy by talentless and small minded.

    the public should be grateful that top people who could spend their time elsewhere condescend to give their time to producing public service entertainment that provides a ray of sunshine in their minimum wage lives.

  • Comment number 56.

    52. jauntycyclist - it doesn't apply to nations which are not signed up to the NPT (and who have unsigned the Rome Statute (the ICC)) don't you know. The IAEA has spoken out about this, to deaf ears of course. Ever spoken at length to deaf ears? In the end, you give up.

    Some would say that this de facto and de jure makes Israel a non-member of the Internatinal Community.

    Mr Netanyahu appears to have been schooled in the same way as Mr Straw, but that's law and diplomacy, and it's clever stuff.

    Not for the likes you you and I, I suspect. Keep up the good stuff though, but watch out for the devil.

    Question: Is it non PC to incite goodness?

  • Comment number 57.

    I don't usually reckon to engage in the cyber-badinage of this blog, but there are two posts in this set I want to comment on:

    32: TwoDeadQueens - why did you choose that as your name, and who are they? Queens of England? Somewhere else? Or a more modern usage of the word Queen? I am RicardianLesley because I think Richard III was traduced by Shakespeare and others in Tudor times, and some bloggers' names are fairly transparent (NB does anybody else besides me remember that JJ used to post as 'Adrienne'?) But ... TwoDeadQueens?
    The second is 47, Statist, with the comment 'Disciples of Satan put New in front' ... O, the glories of the New Look after the war when we women could look like women again. The word 'new' has some resonances that politicians cannot reach.

  • Comment number 58.

    #57 (NB does anybody else besides me remember that JJ used to post as 'Adrienne'?)

    Yes I knew RL : )

    Adrienne, Jaded_Jean, Statist = One Man ; )

    I'm not quite old enough to remember that New Look, but unfortunately I do know about the store New Look, (daughter) not a patch on the original words I feel!! ; )

  • Comment number 59.

    58. ecolizzy - Ooo err steady on. Is everyone who shares/expresses the same or similar views the same individual, or might they comprise a virtual party?

    A lot of people posting here seem to share the same or at least very similar views these days, are they all the same person?

    In the end, what is it that really matters?

  • Comment number 60.

    Sorry Stat! ; )

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