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Wimp or not, it makes you totally undesirable as far as I'm concerned.

A wise man once said to me that the road to hell was paved with good intentions and that my concept of the inclusive non-racial multi-cultural society would inevitably lead to a perfect storm of racial catastrophe as predicted by one of the great thinkers on the web.

But do not fear the wise man was in fact our very own kevseywevsey - aka cookieducker aka rubber bullets boy or rubber bullets for short - and the great thinker was jaded_jean.

Not a sharp tool intellectually our kevseywevsey but "stronger than Mike Tyson" and that is always useful when you are weighing up how close to hell you are.

That latter name may not mean much to some but does to others familiar with such great contributions to contemporary thought as "the Holocaust was made up to put people off statism" and was inevitably done by people such as Stalin who was a statist.

Not only that but that cutting edge mind concluded that Hitler was a peace lover, there is evidence for race "realism" - as yet unknown to science where there is no such conclusion - and National Socialism should replace democracy on merit.

The rest is as you would expect along the lines of "Jewish hegemony" and so on.

So do you start thinking about stocking up on batteries and baked beans and suchlike for the inevitable racial maelstrom or do you get yourself another coffee and start thinking about a visit to the sports page?

But check out Newsnight first of course.

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Wimps don't suit me neither but I do like emotional, sensitive to others as well as artistically and intellectually, bright and caring men.

mim

4 - 4 = 0 though 4x4=16 Add 4 and you get 20+1=21

It all depends on what kind 4 I'm dealing with.

I seem to be having trouble posting so I will test:

Today I have refined the some total of all far right though visited upion this page into three words.

They are ugha, ugha, ugha.

That should be a Nobel I would think.

OK this may be a duplicate but on the Trident front I am surprised at the move to put Trident on the MOD budget but then it is sensible.

I can't see the MOD being able to make the kind of cuts needed to justify that contribution.

There are also strategic issues about whether Trident is today the right weapon for our defence as it is a Cold War weapon that lacks a Cold War and it is not truly independent.

We could not launch without the US approval and I don't see a situation where Obama is eating a doughnut and mumbles down the phone "Sure David go for it! Launch!" as it is quite a significant action and would tend to upset other uninvolved nations. Particularly if it missed or counter measures deflected it elsewhere.

It is also not clear who we would launch at as Trident would be overkill for Iran and again we would surely fall in with the US line.

In a third party situation where we were outside of alliance commitments I just can't conceive where we would need a Trident level deterrence.

If a terrorist organisation was thought to possess a nuclear weapon intended for the UK specifically we would probably not want to use a nuclear weapon as we would need to verify that we had destroyed it or now possessed it - unless that option was not available.

So in my view we could delay replacing it and then assess the situation then, we could move over to a land based and truly independent land based missile - possibly via sharing knowledge with France - but I just don't think making major cuts to our armed forces on the scale required is viable or appropriate.

AXIS OF REPRISAL.

'Definite Dave' will not wnat to give up Trident. Now that we are deemed 'scary' in financial terms and 'No 2' in warfare, our debt is stratospheric and our GDP far from guaranteed, Dave will need his nukes to have any standing at all at the GLOBOPOLY board.

Far right posts on here tend to be rather like guerrilla action.

I don't mean that it is hit and run and they make absurd points and then retreat into the darkness of cyber space before there can be a response.

It is about the level of an actual guerrilla where there are aggressive noises about social and national destruction followed usually by intellectual indirection utilising references to the third party jaded_jean (explicit National Socialist).

Then when you refute the nonsensical arguments you get the equivalent of an enraged throwing of a cyber-banana at you.

Examples would be that you are a running dog of the Jews and you aren't in their very insecure gang or you are a useful idiot. If you are very lucky you may make "anarchist and Trotskyite" and that means they really don't think you are National Socialist material.

That's like a badge of honour.

Anyways back on the guerrilla front my point is that I don't think they read the manual properly. What they do is not exactly Sun Tzu is it.

So look forward to somebody making the comment that some bankers in New York have Jewish names and then they probably do a nice salute by their terminal and retire to chew a house brick - as you do.

I think on the technical front it may be a bad day at the office as this is the second time I have tried to post and it just keeps giving me eternal three flashing green squares.

Soooo on the Wikileaks front I am not that concerned about the content of the secrets released and I doubt whether the Hague will be seeing war crimes trials anytime soon.

I am far more alarmed that the chief suspect, a private, could distribute that kind of volume in what was probably a very short time frame.

Ethically I don't see any great benefit to the world in the leak as it is all what we knew or suspected anyway.

Wikileaks should be free to pursue its interests but I tend to agree with Mike Mullen that if lives have been lost as a consequence - and none apparently have been saved - then they must shoulder that responsibility.

My conclusion is that this happened because it could happen and not, as we would all desire, because it should happen.

On the Labour leadership front I am obviously biased being a Lib Dem who would not trust Labour as far as it could be thrown.

But I do wonder how exposed David Miliband might be to any revelations that the Labour government knew far more about renditions and torture than they have admitted. There is the case of the Belgian chap illegally brought to our shores and given Home Office permission to stay showing full governmental knowledge and therefore responsibility.

But when Miliband Minor starts talking about rotten lies of the coalition I do wonder whether he would be much better than his brother as his snese of perspective and the priorities that should be obvious to a new Labour leadership are at best skewed.

But then whilst they can retain first past the post they still have a chance of retaining the inevitable two party pendulum swing that means it does not matter that much what they do.

But if they can't make any break through in the future because they are not trusted on the economy and they aren't trusted on social justice and they aren't trusted on foreign affairs then the public may move to a situation where a party must win on the merits of its ideas rather than the geographical concentration of its base support.

Another thought is that Miliband Major described Cameron as a "loudmouth".

Was he not the architect of the "get tough with Russia" stance that the upstart Obama decided to ignore as he sought a reset and Start treaty?

If he can't keep Obama in line with his stalwart views what kind of a leader would he be?

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What is Byrne wittering on about as he clearly would have gone with Labour if Labour had made a better offer and had had enough seats.

Does he think Clegg would have turned down PR in favour of a deal with the Tories?

Labour are just ranting about anything no matter what and the profound cynicism is chilling as they know they are the party who contributed greatly to the economic crisis by lax financial regulation and a gung ho attitude to the finance sector.

#1& 2

Self-reflection, that is self-questioning, openness to consider ideas of others, though not of those of Stalin"s or Hitler's ilk or their admirers or copy cats, and a cracking good humour, including the occasional self-derision are also much appreciated attributes. Not that I'm making an invitation here to have a go . I'm 'hooked' already - body and soul.

I hardly ever watched Jonathan Ross anyway so Emily's argument for watching Newsnight tonight is not convincing for me.

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Thank you so much for letting through all my posts today. Although largely personal they are a response to quite a few NN bloggers and what's been happening in the studio as well. After all, it's not only Jeremy that I met in April 2009 so I thought I might as well use this opportunity to make things clear.

mim

Re 'Sardonic laughter' .... further to posts 19 and 20 the other day on the topic of Cameron's trip to India and this 'new and deeper' Hawk jet sealed deal to sell weapons to former colonial partners - while closing
libraries etc here is 'The Wall Street Journal's sardonic verdict on a
cultural agreement Our Man in Delhi has just signed:



The one item WSJ thinks might be new refers to links with the Edinburgh Festivals .... but that co-operation has also been on the stocks since
Jonathan Mills an Australian was appointed as Festival Director in 2007.

Occasional Newsnight Review guest Hannah McGill who runs the Edinburgh Film Festival may also be laughing sardonically into her pint given the
axeing of the UK Film Council by Jeremy Hunt last week which had given
her excellent organisation financial support. Still at least cooperation with India in the area of film remains part of Scotland's own India Plan.

Scottish Government India Plan NB not a Trident sub or Hawk jet in sight!

Heather Brooke supporters should turn their fire on British Council:

The reason honest journalists working for a pittance round the clock in London are having to do your 'sardonic' online course about fraud may be
not totally unconnected with the culture of excess still in other bodies.

BLOOD - AND WORDS TO TREASURE

So Admiral Mike Mullen speaks of one man's blooded hands. Surely America, through their compliant military's enactment of Dubya's crazy wars, have FILLED THEIR BOOTS WITH BLOOD many times over, wading through Johnnie Foreigner's entrails to get - nowhere.

Surely it is time for another little chat with Tony, before his all-too-evident stress claims him?

So a "top US military official" says that "the Wikileaks founder has blood on his hands"!

You really couldn't make it up!
How can Newsnight report this sort of garbage with a straight face and without pointing out the absolute absurdity and hypocrisy of these Washington and assorted White House insults to the intelligence.

You really couldn't make it up!

Apart from the one who'plays' Hitler and Stalin, there is also a male, or 2, who act like Judas. Or is he/are they the same bloke/blokes?? They may also 'think' they are Jesus. Like the one that JP interviewed some time ago.

ERROR OF STRATEGY?

I gather we are denying the 'Taliban' yet another patch of Afghanistan, even as I type. Does this mean that they will, ultimately, be forced to move to a high-street near me - like angry wasps after a bungled 'pest control' exercise? (:o)

Don't lye dye for me I might nnot be wortrh it

but then

gango wrote:
"...do you get yourself another coffee and start thinking about a visit to the sports page?"

Said like a true sanctimonious Guardian reading Lib...other than that gango, good come-back. I'll give you that, I could hardly see the joins in your post.

Gango also wrote:

"... they make absurd points and then retreat into the darkness of cyber space before there can be a response"

So sorry that you had to wait around for a response.
Anyhow, what you say could be true, but something tells me your daily schedule may include alot more free time than say er myself.

P:S gango, have you watched the new 麻豆官网首页入口 production of Sherlock holmes..its very good.

WHICH SPEECH-WRITER WROTE 'PREZZA'S' BLAIR EULOGY?

Somehow the words THAT HE READ did not sound like standard Prescott - come to that, they did not 'sound like' the Tony Blair we all know only too well. What a disgraceful charade.

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So we might sell one of the aircraft carriers to India? That does sound a bit more plausible than ever having to nuke Archangel - unless Putin
is also in the market for offloading surplus equipment to the Indians!

Which of course he is ....!

#21 addendum

In fact there may be 2 more, one with initials pj and the other dm that I used to know though hopefully dm has more sense than the other ones. But perhaps not.

Using others, eh?, those in the light?

# 30 rather puts alleged benefit fraud into perspective ?

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#32

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I think I understand why you've removed it but my point was to pass on the message to those who care anyway,

US/UK SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP: CONTINUED & DEEPENNED- COOPERATION ON DEFENCE MEGA-PROJECTS COULD HAVE SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC & STRATEGIC BENEFITS FOR BOTH COUNTRIES:

For nearly 1/2 a decade, the United Kingdom has been working colaboratively with the United States to jointly develop components for both countries' new classes of ballistic missile submarines- intended to replace the UK's Vanguard class and the US's Ohio class Trident submarines...

Rather than continuing only developing interchangeable submarine/missile launcher components- with each country using these components in substantially architecturally different subs- the UK and the US ought to explore potential advantages of developing 'one' nuclear ballistic missile submarine design perhaps to be jointly built in both countries...

LINKS/BACKGROUND:

1) "(Common Missile Compartment) CMC Program to Define Future (nuclear ballistic missile submarine) SSBN Launchers for UK, USA", 29_06-2010:

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"Jan 28/10: Backward compatibility. Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co. in Sunnyvale, CA received a $29.7 million sole source cost-plus-fixed-fee contract for systems engineering services, to help integrate current Trident D5 nuclear missiles into the (UK & US's planned new classes of nuclear ballistic missile) submarine's common missile compartment... Work is expected to be complete by... Sept 30/11..."

2) "SSGN "Tactical Trident" Subs: Special Forces and Super Strike", 13_06-2010:

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"In the aftermath of the START-II arms control treaty, some of the USA's nuclear-powered Ohio Class SSBN nuclear missile submarines were converted to become long range conventional strike and special operations SSGN "Tactical Tridents".

"Four ultra-stealthy Ohio-class SSBNs had their 24 Trident II D-5 nuclear ballistic missiles removed.

"They were replaced with up to 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 66-102 special forces troops, special attachments for new Advanced SEAL Delivery System (ASDS) or older Seal Delivery Vehicle (SDV) "mini-subs," and a mission control center.

"In future, the SSGNs will also carry UUV underwater robotic vehicles and even UAVs for aerial operations.

"These modifications provide the USA with an impressive and impressively flexible set of conventional firepower, in a survivable and virtually undetectable platform that can remain on station for very long periods*.

"As surveillance-strike complexes make the near-shore more and more hazardous for conventional ships, and the potential dangers posed by small groups continue to rise, America鈥檚 converted SSGN submarines will become more and more valuable.."

(*with the planned, new Vanguard class successor/Trident replacement submarines- why not the UK??)

3) "Northrop Grumman secures SSBN launcher contract", 18_06-2010:



4) "Future of the British Nuclear Deterrent: A Progress Report", 12_5-2010:


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PART 2:

THE UK'S DESIRED WORLD-PROFILE ALONG WITH ITs FORESEEN FUTURE ROLES & POTENTIAL DUTIES OUGHT TO BE PARAMOUNT IN THE UK's DEFENCE MEGA-PROJECT DECISION-MAKING!!!

The UK's desired world-profile, roles & foreseen duties along with its required future Defence Industry and Defence-related technological capabilities (during the coming 3-4 decades) ought to underpin any and ALL discussions AND policy decisions regarding the Vanguard successor class submarine & Trident replacement programmes....

The same can be said for discussions and policy decisions regarding the future force structure & capabilities of the Royal Navy generally... IE: whether or not to commit funding for:

1a) the 'FULL' fitting out- with weapons, communications* and defensive systems*- of the 6 currently undergoing construction/sea trials Type-45 Destroyers- instead of continuing with the hugely dangerous, absurd previous Labour govt plans of commissioning these urgently required vessels into service as barely 20% equipped 'shells', IE: without 80% of the basic, industry-standard types of weapons, communications* and defensive* systems that their designers originally intended;
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* "Cooperative Engagement Capability" sensors, computer, communications and related hardware:



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"... The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) will decide in 2010 whether to acquire the US Navy's Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) for integration into selected Royal Navy (RN) surface ships after concluding a third tranche of Assessment Phase (AP3) studies.

"This comes five years after initial plans to integrate the UK CEC system into Type 23 frigates and Type 45 destroyers were brought to a sudden halt as a result of budget pressure.... "

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"In 1982 the Falklands (Malvinas) conflict provided a stark reminder of the vulnerability of surface forces operating in a hostile air environment without AEW support. The absence of such a capability in the face of sustained air attack gave the UK Royal Navy (RN) insufficient warning to counter threats at long range, and directly contributed to the loss of several ships... "
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1b) the urgently needed 12-additional 'FULLY EQUIPPED' Type-45 Destroyers- (12 on top of the 6 presently undergoing construction/sea trials);

2) properly designed** 'big deck' Aircraft Carriers;

** IE not continuing with the previous Labour govt's 'make work project for votes' programme...

This due to the planned, new 'big deck' carriers being designed- and now undergoing construction- without vital, industry-standard communications, weapons & defensive systems- and, highly dangerously without weapons guidance radars; aircraft-launch catapults and damage control systems equipment; and to make matters far worse- not nuclear powered...

Conventional, fossil-fuel powered propulsion enormously limits- if not outright prohibits- the UK's planned, new 'big deck' aircraft carriers' future upgradeability and capacity to operate next-generation anti airborne threat weapons such as 'Directed Energy Weapons' (DEWs) (DEWs are in late stages of development by several non-UK countries);

3) 10 Astute class submarines rather than the ludicrously inadequate 5 that the previous Labour govt committed funding for..

Despite times being tough- and balancing the country's annual budget deserving high importance- it could only benefit the United Kingdom's future political, economic and strategic interests if, as a result of the current Defence Review, that an unequivocally articulated 'statement' was made by the UK regarding what its intended future world roles & duties are and what UK military/crisis intervention capabilities can be counted on- by the broader world community- during the coming 3-4 decades...

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'Here's Emily with news of what's coming up on tonight's programme:

The 麻豆官网首页入口 has just launched (yet another) online course. This one is about fraud.

We are meant to do it to help us overcome those situations where people are engaging in 'behaviour resulting in personal enrichment through deception' or the deliberate misuse or misappropriation of 麻豆官网首页入口 resources or assets.

Cue hoots of sardonic laughter from colleagues gazing soulfully into their empty pension pots...

Anyway, talking about things being taken away, we begin tonight with a look at the debate over Trident and who should pay for its renewal.

Sorry to hear about the internal 麻豆官网首页入口 problems affecting its staff. Did it come up on the programme?

At least the bit about empty pension pots. 'Empty? Or at least not as full as anticipated? There is a difference, as those outside the public sector are getting to grips with. Whilst not suffering the travails with their holiday villas that the Selinas or Kirstys do suffer.

Perhaps if folk are proving a little unconvinced on the licence fee being used pretty much for 麻豆官网首页入口 pensions over content, redirecting the country's defence budgets may be a worthy area of discussion.

"TRAVAILS WITH THEIR HOLIDAY VILLAS" (#35)

One to savour Junkk!

In passing, we hear that Emily is a foreign language speaker. Kirsty, in her villa, made me ponder if she speaks any other foreign languages beside English? And does Johnnie Foreigner understand her better than I do?

CHILDCARE, SCHOOL, SEX, COMMERCE, GROWTH, ARMS, WAR.

The Magnificent Seven of 'civilisation' - our way.

No. 8 - DEATH - is prohibited, for all but heroes.


WHAT WOULD NATURE DO?

Yet more proof (if it were needed) of the duplicity of politicians, the ideology of the B.B.C. and the wish list of leftism.

The defence capability of Great Britain is more important than any other government business save the provision of health care, and even that may not be its equal.

Fund this accordingly - NO MORE CUTS to either existing or future defence!

P.S.

The film piece used to lead in the "discusion" on Trident and the defence budget was I believe of an air defence at sea excercise not a release of nuclear missiles. Also the use of this clip featuring American accented "voices of command" and the "Russian Bear" was most naughty!

No nuclear release would happen in the circumstances being hinted at (I most sincearly hope).

May I suggest to the bloggers to listem to this, particularly dads:

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If you don't know French it doesn't really matter. You should get the gist of what the song is about. Pure, isn't it?

mim

the imperialst running dogs and their capatalist lackeys are out in force tonight....where is Bob Crowe when you need him...

#39

The 'Russian Bear' must be awfully proud then, Which paw did he waggle, top left or right, or bottom left or right, and in whose 'cave', pee?

DEFINITE DAVE'S DAMNING DELIVERY - POLICY OR PERSONALITY?

I think we have got another one. Dave can't wait to be a 'towering figure' on the world stage. He should watch out - towers can go down as well as up.

#42 addendum

Was the 'bear' offensive frontal or from the back?

#43

Singie

Which 'towering' Dave wanting to make it in the world are you talking about? By the very nature of his job, the UK Prime Minister, whether you appreciate him or not, is already 'making' it in the world though how big an impact only history will tell.

#45^ Thanks for that brossen, even back then Spike could see all about the expenses scam! ; )

We visit his grave ocassionally.

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Brightyangthing

Working Towards the Future

My mind is yearning to give expression
To depth of feeling and depth of perception
In deeper words, with sophistication.
Something I feel my true nature is.
To help me with that I ought read
More to stretch my brain cells and make them feed,
Supplying thus vital nutrition
To help them come into fruition.
Dancing requires good and strong muscles
Writing requires strong and sound brain
The style I鈥檓 thinking of here anyway.

mim

A truly inspiring Yorkshire Project:

/news/uk-england-10829829

Music is what feelings sound like. ~Author Unknown

What we provide is an atmosphere... of orchestrated pulse which works on people in a subliminal way. Under its influence I've seen shy debs and severe dowagers kick off their shoes and raise some wholesome hell. ~Meyer Davis, about his orchestra

#49 addendum

Celebrating the Yorkshire Day

Music is able to cut across ages
From tribal and ancient to those now alive.
And within the latter to youth from 98-year old.
Which is the case with the great Yorkshire Project
With the composer B Till composing the music
To great grandma Brigham鈥檚 Yorkshire Anthem lyrics,
The musicians being right across the board
In terms of age and place they were born.



mim

A worried and expressive image if Lyse Doucet:

/news/world-south-asia-10829692

I'm not even going to comment on this.......

'52. At 07:48am on 01 Aug 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
I'm not even going to comment on this.......
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Actually, it looks like she has all the necessary qualifications locked down:

#53

How about Emily having a say about the 麻豆官网首页入口 'playing the game' ih agreement of the abuse of privacy and basic civil rights? Or is just the financial issue that might affect her owb purse that is of concern to her?

LIB DEMS NO LONGER THE PARTY OF PERCEIVED INTEGRITY

Emily, on the Marr programme, was too busy asking Huhne about his private life to suggest the lost LibDem support is down to leaders going for power and abandoning integrity. Big mistake. But then, it WAS only PERCIEVED integrity, wasn't it!

Incidentally, apart from her irrelevant espousal, can anyone tell me why Mrs Burcow is now invited into supposedly cerebral gatherings? Is this edgy 麻豆官网首页入口 again?

ONLY HALF THE STORY (#53 link)

No one can be in any doubt that 'The Journey' (A Journey?) will be a work of fiction. But St Tony HIMSELF is fiction. The first part of his life was a search for a stage on which to play the fictional Giant: 'Tony Blair'. That he fooled so many is distressing and should be instructive. But now we have 'another one', the people cannot wait to be fooled again. The fault, as Shakespeare warned, lies in ourselves.

Oh - it's all going awfully well.

WHERE DOES NICK THINK HE CAN GO FROM HERE? WHY GO WITH HIM?

And let's not mess about pretending he just wants do bring the greatest good for the greatest number - Westminster has never been the place for that! No, he wants to be 'Topp' aka Prime Minister. But half his troops have left the field and will not return while their leader is a proven backslider. So Nick is stuck between a cockup and a lardface.

I have said consistently that Westminster is an integrity-free zone. Those departed LibDems who presumably have a clear concept of integrity, had nevertheless failed to realise that the Westminster Ethos is alien to such a 'flight of fancy'. If disaffected LibDems have cerebral capacity allied to their scruples, this rude awakening might just be the start of a move to SPOILPARTYGAMES.

So my suggestion to all you LibDems who are taking stock is: "The Westminster Ethos will only ever deliver iniquity. We need to source candidates, for our MP, locally (a view voiced eloquently by A N Wilson on 'Any Questions') as a first step to the dismemberment of Westminster 'governance' and its feudal self-serving disgrace.

Parties demand first allegiance. Parties dilute representative government. Dig out a reluctant, competent, decent individual from your area at the next election and SELL THE IDEA TO THE CONSTITUENTS. No lies, no gimmicks, no balloons - JUST INTEGRITY IN REPRESENTATION.

Nick - in his hour of neediness - might just have fixed it for YOU!

Oh - it could all go so much better.

#57

What would you replace the UK Parliament with and who would you see as the person leading it? A ghost?

And one other question, single, how do you envisage the installment of that person, by an electoral system or by imposition??

Plus, who, for example, would have the power/authority to nominate ambassadors representing the country abroad?

mim

Looks like it's getting worse....

#59

Ah, stars, the real ones, Mistress76uk, those so many imitate while others shamelessly use for those little and pathetic score 'gains'.

mim

Offers of stardom, freedom and equality - it's how ruthless predators bewitch and exploit the meek/naive/dull witted. You do see this Mim? You do see how freedom from the state is freedom to make money out of the vulnerable?

#61

No, really, there are crooks about using stars who've already made it? And ruthlessly with it using Swiss banks for example?

Having read your link, however, I'm not sure whether Susan's millions are truly controlled by crooks. It looks to me like there's some kind of misunderstanding between her and the trustees.

EGREGIOUS DANGERS OF NOT RECTIFYING THE UK's BUDGET DEFICIT & PROBLEMMED ECONOMIC BASE ALSO WARRANT REPEATED PUBIC STATEMENTS !!

Speaking in lock-step, the UK govt is needed to articulate to the UK public the dire consequences of the UK govt not (delineating and) setting-by-legislated 2-decade or longer policies:

1) UK national Defence capabilities objectives 2010-2030; and

2)UK Defence-related technology industry capabilities 2010-2030

... objectives that would act to anchor the UK- for decades- into the top-table club of influential industrialized countries...

A UK booted off of UN's permanent member Security Council membership and whose present extensive world-wide (news, social/human interest & entertainment) media presence (mainly through the 麻豆官网首页入口 & C4) was reduced to that of an Italy, Holland, Romania, etc would be a country that was perceived worldwide as irrelevant and of no productive use or needed purpose... a place that very few- if any- companies and persons would have inclinations to do business with or invest in...

France has recently put in place policies keeping their Defence spending at and slightly above this year's from now until 2014...

France also has recently put policies in place to not only:

a) maintain its (newly developed & built class of) nuclear submarines + their (newly developed) nuclear-armed ballistic missiles (IE: one of France's TWO nuclear deterrent platforms); along with

b) expeditedly rolling out dozens of their newest-design air-launched nuclear-tipped missiles simultaneously with the construction-and-induction-into-France's Airforce of that country's newest (France-designed & France-built) Fighter/Bombers...

Which country- the UK or France- is more likely to continue to be viewed around the world as a major player and a country worthy of retaining its privileged & highly powerful- lucrative- places on the UN's permanent five Security Council and other international Defence, military, trade, human rights, economic bodies??

Despite times being tough- and balancing the country's annual budget deserving high importance- it could only benefit the United Kingdom's future political, economic and strategic interests if, as a result of the current Strategic Defence Review, that an unequivocally articulated, BOLDLY PRONOUNCED 'National statement' was made by the UK- THROUGH ITS GOVT-regarding what the UK's intended future world roles & duties are and what the country's military & crisis intervention capabilities can be counted on- by the broader world community- during the coming 3-4 decades...


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Vancouver, BC, Canada

IS PUTTING DEFENCE, ABOVE ALL ELSE, LIKE INSISTING ON A 'PRE-NUP'? (#63)

As I have said before: Britain is a 'warlike' nation. We are not slow to 'send a gunboat' - our policy today being no more enlightened than a century or two ago. Might not this be part of our problem? Domestic killing seems now to be established as a tool of 'conflict resolution'. Is the state setting a bad example?

Perhaps if we were more obsessed with love, and constructive pursuits, and less with destructiveness, we and Johnnie Foreigner might learn to get along?

Trying to get along and work cooperatively with the French of course ought to be an objective of every UK citizen and the govt...

But, 'The French Ego' is alive and well...

Its resulting effects on France's objectives and actions within the EU and wider world's structures; on France's domestic-industrial, trade and foreign policy objectives; & on France's Defence spending- warrant being closely evaluated by countries- such as the UK- that are in potential competition- whether friendly or unfriendly...

Compare France's TWO platforms of nuclear deterrent- and its resulting impression worldwide- to that of the UK's should the Vanguard class successor/Trident replacement programme (and other UK Defence mega-projects) be cancelled:

As stated in a previous comment, France plans to maintain its current Defence spending until at least 2014... despite running an 8% budget deficit for this year and despite no substantial reductions in their budget deficit projected until 2016...

France has approved-funding to replace most of its Navy's outdated Frigates with 16 of the France/Italy 'FREMM' project Multi-Mission/Multi-role Frigates over the next 12-years...

Even today, for the first occasion since the 1600's, France's Navy has a larger escort combatant vessel fleet than the UK's Royal Navy!!!;

France's new 'Rafael' Fighter/Bombers are undergoing continuous production, with many armed with new (Air-Sol Moyenne Porte'e Amelioree- improved medium-range, air-to-surface) ASMP-A missiles that are each fitted with France's new 'TNA' (tete nucleaire aeroporte) thermonuclear warheads.

The ASMP-A missile missile has a 350 mile range;

France has 4 of its newly designed Le Triomphant class nuclear ballistic missile armed submarines (SSBNs) currently in service with the FOURTH of this class- 'Le Terrible'- this year testing France's newest submarine launched ballistic missile (SLBM), the M-51...

Similar to the UK's current FOUR Vanguard class Trident missile subs, each of France's Le Triomphant class boats are constructed with 16 missile launch tubes and armed with 16 (in France's case: M-45) submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs).

Each M-45 missile capable of being armed with six TN-75 nuclear warheads...

France plans to progressively replace its M-45 missiles with MBDA's new M-51 SLBM.

The M-51, reportedly weighs about 54 tons; has a range of up to 10,000 km; and can be armed with six to ten independently-targetable thermonuclear warheads...

All SIX of France's former SSBN fleet, the Le Redoutable class, have been progressively decommissioned, with the final vessel, L'Inflexible, completing its last deployment in 2007...

Plans originally called for the procurement of SIX Le Triomphant class subs to replace the Le Redoutables, but this number was decreased to FOUR.

Since France decided to dismantle its land-based Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) in 1996, its SSBN force is 1/2 of the country鈥檚 strategic nuclear deterrent- with the other half France's TWO Fighter/Bomber squadrons that are charged with delivery of air-launched ASMP-A missiles- fitted with 'TNA' thermonuclear warheads...

France maintains a continuous at-sea presence of its Le Triomphant class nuclear ballistic missile armed submarines...
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Unlike France, the UK does not have a Fighter/Bomber nuclear deterrent- and has no plans to develop one...

Members of the UK MoD and other persons are closed-mindedly lobbying to cancel the underway Vanguard class successor/Trident SSBN programme, despite zero defined- or postulated- proposals for any type of replacement UK nuclear deterrent system...

Even if built, as currently planned the UK's Vanguard class successor/Trident SSBN programme will result in boats with only 12 missile tubes each: today's 4 Vanguards and France's 4 Le Triomphant class boats are each constructed with 16...
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CONTINUED- & DEEPENNED- US/UK COOPERATION ON DEFENCE MEGA-PROJECTS COULD HAVE SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC & STRATEGIC BENEFITS FOR BOTH COUNTRIES:

For nearly 1/2 a decade, the United Kingdom has been working collaboratively with the United States to jointly develop components for both countries' new classes of ballistic missile submarines- intended to replace the UK's Vanguard class and the US's Ohio class Trident submarines...

Rather than continuing only developing interchangeable submarine/missile launcher components- with each country using these components in substantially architecturally different subs- the UK and the US ought to explore potential advantages of developing 'one' nuclear ballistic missile submarine design perhaps to be jointly built in both countries...

LINKS/BACKGROUND:

1) "(Common Missile Compartment) CMC Program to Define Future (nuclear ballistic missile submarine) SSBN Launchers for UK, USA", 29_06-2010:

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"Jan 28/10: Backward compatibility. Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co. in Sunnyvale, CA received a $29.7 million sole source cost-plus-fixed-fee contract for systems engineering services, to help integrate current Trident D5 nuclear missiles into the (UK & US's planned new classes of nuclear ballistic missile) submarine's common missile compartment... Work is expected to be complete by... Sept 30/11..."

2) "SSGN "Tactical Trident" Subs: Special Forces and Super Strike", 13_06-2010:

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"In the aftermath of the START-II arms control treaty, some of the USA's nuclear-powered Ohio Class SSBN nuclear missile submarines were converted to become long range conventional strike and special operations SSGN "Tactical Tridents".

"Four ultra-stealthy Ohio-class SSBNs had their 24 Trident II D-5 nuclear ballistic missiles removed.

"They were replaced with up to 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 66-102 special forces troops, special attachments for new Advanced SEAL Delivery System (ASDS) or older Seal Delivery Vehicle (SDV) "mini-subs," and a mission control center.

"In future, the SSGNs will also carry UUV underwater robotic vehicles and even UAVs for aerial operations.

"These modifications provide the USA with an impressive and impressively flexible set of conventional firepower, in a survivable and virtually undetectable platform that can remain on station for very long periods*.

"As surveillance-strike complexes make the near-shore more and more hazardous for conventional ships, and the potential dangers posed by small groups continue to rise, America鈥檚 converted SSGN submarines will become more and more valuable.."

(*with the planned, new Vanguard class successor/Trident replacement submarines- why not the UK??)

3) "Northrop Grumman secures SSBN launcher contract", 18_06-2010:



4) "Future of the British Nuclear Deterrent: A Progress Report", 12_5-2010:

Despite times being tough- and balancing the country's annual budget deserving high importance- it could only benefit the United Kingdom's future political, economic and strategic interests if, as a result of the current Strategic Defence Review, that an unequivocally articulated, BOLDLY PRONOUNCED 'National statement' was made by the UK- THROUGH ITS GOVT-regarding what the UK's intended future world roles & duties are and what the country's military & crisis intervention capabilities can be counted on- by the broader world community- during the coming 3-4 decades...


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Roderick V. Louis
Vancouver, BC, Canada

#64

Do you mean love for fellow human beings or carnal love, including unrequited type leading to conflict, or abuse as the case may be, singie?

麻豆官网首页入口's Newsnight: One of, if not 'the most consistently mature, focused and constructive-thought provoking TV/Video programmes on this planet'... and yet its discussion boards/blogs- like this one- are all too often filled with irrelevant trite... even when the topic(s) & subject matter/news-issues of the week or day are of enormous seriousness and potential impact on viewers' lives...

How come???

Roderick V. Louis,
Vancouver, BC, Canada

Brightyangthing

I've just had a rather long dream.
Though I cannot reveal itts precise contents
As it was of a personal nature,
It was partly to do with the future.
Not only of the hours before the forthcoming midnight
But also the years full of bright light.

Hope that August turns out to be a very good month for you, BYT


mim

#69

You seem to be talking in generalisations. Could you please be more precise about what exactly you consider trite and which of the bloggers, in your view, are responsible for it?

Personally, I do not mind being criticised openly as, after all, I do havea relatively well functioning brain, tongue and in, case of blogging, eyes and fingers to respond, either in my own defence, another blogger's or a journalist's defence, or, as the case may be, admit to having been, at least partially, wromg about this or that.

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One of the Carriers sold, and selling one of the carriers to India newsnight flippantly said. India has started building it's own carriers. Our carriers have been planned over years, and the Navy has seen it's ships disappear over the years. How many more, less ships can you have?

Do you not need air cover, air superiority, strike etc, for a balanced naval force?

We will end up with a rag tag Navy, and armed forces in general. I am assuming this financial situation is not going to last forever, so why are we even talking about selling systems that will give good service for the next 50 or so years. It would be at a knock down price, it would show the world we are in decline if we sold a Carrier, and I like everyone else, does not want to be from a Country in decline. The consequences, if that ever happened would be massive, and another mistake by this government. Sacrificing our armed forces in the past when we had plenty was bad enough, but to do it again when we are at the bare minimun is irresponsible.

Trident coming from the defense budget is in a effect an even bigger defence cut back. So we are looking at getting the deficit down by damaging the defense budget, it's no surprise. The armed forces have to be the most mismanaged, messed about, used, underfunded of all the departments, and the one that did not gain with the Labour Government, yet it's right at the fore for cuts, even when it is at war and British people are dying. If we have really decided to decline ourselves, then is it not time to get rid of the huge buildings in London. The big buildings up Whitehall could be sold for apartments, parliament can be downsized and moved from that completly over the top building we have now so to match our decline and the fact it is losing power to a 60 billion pounds a year unaffordable club we should not even be in. A smaller cheaper to run insignificant building is more in keeping. Westminster Palace could become part of vision masterplan being regenerated into a hotel, shops food and drink, because if government has decided defense is unaffordable, so everything else is unaffordable in that case too.

This really is history repeating itself from the 60s amd 70s. I do not think Liam Fox wants to be a Healey.

If the UK Government is really that serious about making a commitment to saving money; and that surely means being and making things resourceful, then surely it would scrap Trident altogether, unless it wants to continuosly hoard an outdated product from the past with such connotations as: "Oh, look at the UK nowadays. It's no longer an independent superpower, but still has something independent - in the shape of a nuclear deterent - to show for it."
Arrogant and priggish politicians like Dr Lewis express views that are reminiscent of the outdated old Tories.

As for Wikileaks, and contrary to views of Mike Mullen and others who are consciously or otherwise letting the world spin out of control, I think it's a good idea to make the public aware about the atrocities of war, that the operation in Afghanistan is an ongoing stupid idea. The world controllers would like to permanently apply the kybosh on people like Julian Assange.