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On the bric countries I would have thought that China's increased flexibility on the yuan would be helpful but in practice they still seem somewhat hostile to foreign manufacturers setting up in China. From what I can gather a US citizen was jailed for spying when the database on the Chinese oil industry was publicly available.

But the yuan realistically priced would probably help fairer trade balances and that has to be a good thing.

As more people are rightly lifted out of poverty that has to boost demand and that will help trade and the faltering economies.

But to be a kill joy I assume that increased consumption will lead to greater CO2 emissions and greater competition for resources so that our short term joy may turn to medium term despair.

The carbon shortfall has yet to kick in but may start to be felt over the next decade. We are behind in lining up renewable replacements in my lay view.

Water will become a bigger and bigger issue and key resources such as lithium may lead to unseemly competition.

All of the bric countries have big internal problems that could cause sudden dramatic upheaval.

There are not enough people making policy for the long term benign interests of the world as a whole and I would cite uncontrolled human population growth as a key instance that highlights the dilemma between resource availability and human rights and freedoms.

Naturally as there are still occasional far right posters on here I am clear that I not suggesting there is any racial basis to the need to look at population growth in the long term - it comes down to finite resources and a potentially infinite human population.

These days when you see Labour/New Labour leaders express themselves its hard to judge whether they are detached from reality, cynical liars or believers of their own publicity.

Jack Straw was complaining of "gerrymandering" yesterday over the even sized constituencies proposal. Yet his party were quite happy to go through the same process themselves except that their proposals led to a situation where 44,000 votes were needed on average for a Tory seat and 35,000 for a Labour one.

Under PR or AV Plus these post election rituals and faux rages would not be needed if the percentage of the popular vote converted into seats.

Its like the references to the Bullingdon club members of the cabinet. No mention that they are largely Oxbridge types and Blair was a public school boy. No mention of two jags Prescott and his croquet games nor of Blair with his many dozens of properties now sitting on a bank board.

They spout off about ethical standards but lets see what Chilcott reports and what emerges of renditions and complicity in torture.

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Professor Jonathan Jones is senior scientist for The Sainsbury Laboratory:

"Some say GM is high risk, but they cannot tell you what the risk is. Some say GM is causing deforestation in Brazil, even though if yields were less, more deforestation would be required to meet Chinese and European demand for animal feed."

Some say there have been epic claims for GM that don't correspond to reality and there is no track record for comparison.

We don't even wholly understand why bees are falling in large numbers with all of the implications there and now we should start tinkering with huge swathes of land and all kinds of gene changes.

He also vaguely suggest GM crop yields have increased by 10% per year for a decade but I believe that there had been many reports of people dumping GM. In his view in a thousand years what will these plants look like as they will have yields many hundreds of times greater than today?

I assume that the injunction the EHRC has on the BNP over taking on new members until it complies with the law of non-racial membership has a finite life.

If they have not complied after a certain period do they get fined and what happens if they do not pay the fine?

Home Office advice to gay asylum seekers criticised


"Would we have asked a Jew to hide in the attic to avoid being sent to the concentration camps?"

Alexandra McDowall UNHCR

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What a strange analogy to make in this instance.

What are the logical consequences of this case if the UK Supreme Court rules that the Home Office has to change its asylum entry requirements in this test case?

Why is a Canadian citizen telling the UK Gov't who it can or can't let into the country?

I guess some useful idiots are more more useful than others...especially if they work for the UNHCR!

:p so that's what Gordon Brown's getting up to!

#7

idiots? watch out
useful idiots? where have i seen before?

what did I say earlier today?

still in the black hole, are you? making the world go round your little .., you know what?

SCIENCE (#6)

The big Bang is a mathematical illusion, the Sun is electrically driven and Earth's climate runs to its own, undefined, rules.

Science is now part of the POWER MATRIX of: money, commerce, religion and politics. Science is corrupted.

prof brown?

what a joke, in 'economics' while the country's been on the brink of total ruin?

See the little westies on the left of the photo?

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#10

'Science is corrupted' - say that again, Singie.

But whose science, yours or all of it?

Why do you keep going on about power and money? Are you hoping to run the Universe and get stinking rich?

Please would one of you clever clogs help an innumerate little old lady? I have got my head round the fact that a billion is 1,000,000,000. (I still used commas - that's the way I was brought up). Would someone please write out a trillion in figures, with all its noughts, for me?

"You can offend millions with a really good acronym. An American mate of mine came up with SWINE - (Scotland/Wales, Ireland, Northern England) to describe all the bits of the UK he declared economically unviable. Like I said, millions."

Talking of 'The Respect Agenda', Emily ....... sounds like the swines at Newsnight Scotland have scooped Newsnight London yet again with tonight's
extended interview with former Liberal Leader Lord Steel of Aikwood. But
you will be covering The Queen while we swine opt out and examine cracks in the coalition ....

The Conservative/Liberal coalition running the Scottish Borders Council also seems to be showing some signs of strain .... the Tories have just
ganged up to vote out the Liberal Democratic Education Convenor Catriona Bhatia who spoke out publicly against proposed cuts in nursery provision:



She is former Liberal Party Leader David Steel's daughter .......

This is worth a read...

Noam Chomsky interview


Who does he remind you of most?

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Trillion

Emily, it's only yesterdsy that I used the phrase 'down with the swine'. Whether the Americsn mate of yours has seen it or not is insignificant here but I've noticed that you tend to repeat some of the phrases that I use in my Newsnight posts. I don't particularly mind that as long as you do not act on behalf of an enemy of mine, the one you seemed to 'act' for on the election night. None of you on Newsnight should give in to any pressure coming from him. That is why I do not watch Newsnight much these days, apart from when Jeremy is on.

I shall watch the bits on Pauline Malefine and The Queen on the iPlayer tomorrow but that's just about it. You seem to have 'managed' to lose a contributive viewer, I'm afraid, Emily.

Re: BRIC

I just wonder how many ordinary folk do find their 'rich' countries good to live in and how many kiddies in some of them at least die of starvation or preventative disseases every day? Should the UK rely on them or is the country resourceful and clever enough to pull out of the reecession without them and at the expense of the suffering foreign natives?

mim

SINCERITY WITHOUT EYE-CONTACT

How impressive to watch Obama and Netanyahu pledging themselves to their boots.

Would it not be better if their union WERE breakable? That would mean they were in the real world, and that they had to work at it.

What a load of phoney window-dressing.

Cameron on Torture



I hope I'm included on the victims' list though I'm not aware of having ever been considered as a terrorist.

mim

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Emily

Having written #20 I'm being subjected to even more torture, i.e. external and internal physical pressure. Psychologically I remain as fine as I can be under the circumstances and am enjoying M&S passion fruit and coconut ice cream accompanied by Askey's wafers.

Are you sure you are fully aware of what you're doing, pretty, and hopefully in the long run not that stupid, lady?

mim

The BRICs will not save us, more smoke and mirrors, perhaps the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú/MiniTru needs a reality check -

G-20 is Relying on China To Drive the World Economy ... But China Isn't Looking So Hot


Massive Downward Revision Of China Leading Economic Index Refutes China "Recovery" Myth


CEBM Warns China Exports And Imports To Decelerate In Q3 And Onward


Ken Rogoff: "China Property Market Collapse Starting"

Its a bit like facebook on here.
My status:

I've had an awful ear infection for a few days now. I had a performance on sunday. I couldn't hear any hecklers from the left of me.

Emily and CO. You can use that if you want..just remember where you got it from though.

Can you put my name on the closing credits please...that would be nice..thanks.

That swine Salmond has beaten you to it Newsnight ........

Aiming at Chinese Golfers

Scotland and China

Sharing Responsibility for Animal Health

India Plan

What happened to the Newsnight Scotland interview with Lord Steel then?

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Mention Chomsky and I instantly think of my Warsaw University days, tabula rasa vs innate predispositions we are all born with, linguistics vs philosophy and so on, and ulitimately studies given up for the sake of ice skating though I did work at the same time in order not to feel humiliation asking my mum for financial support. In the end, as far as I remember, i probably earned more than her who worked as a surgeon in a Warsaw NHS style hospital.

#27 Oh dear, oh dear oh dear, Neil, has Salmond worked out that there are over billion each of Chinese and indians, you'll be swamped if they all visit, oh and your jobs might vanish as well, silly Salmond.

#26 kevseywevsey

"I've had an awful ear infection for a few days now. I had a performance on sunday. I couldn't hear any hecklers from the left of me."

Was it due to long term effects of the impact of rubber bullets dating back to your Belfast childhood?

Perhaps it could also be due to over exposure to your orgone energy accumulator.

As for facebook at least we don't see read so many of the head banging far right on here eh!

#10 barriesingelton

"Science is now part of the POWER MATRIX of: money, commerce, religion and politics. Science is corrupted."

You used to endorse the views of the National Socialist jaded_jean who used to spout on about genetics and in particular eugenics and racial differences in IQ .... could that be described as a tad corrupted?

Think so.

I gather the rabbit Alistair Campbell and the Sky post election row with Adam Boulton led to thousands of complaints that Ofcom has rejected.

"While the conduct and manner of the discussion was certainly unusual, in terms of impartiality we consider that relevant views and issues were aired".

Yes I am sure that if Campbell's signals about wanting to become an MP are answered there may be many "unusual" interviews in the future - but is that what a new Labour leader would want and what does Campbell do if the answer is no?

Would the man once dubbed the "second most powerful man in the land" be content with being a back bench MP?

Is Campbell a symbol of all that was wrong with Labour and all that remains wrong?

#16 neil robertson

"But you will be covering The Queen while we swine opt out and examine cracks in the coalition ...."

So what is it this week five or six hundred per cent of Liberal Democratic voters who are now with Labour.

If the coalition prospers and there is a new voting system the Lib Dems move on and so do the Tories if the medicine is seen to work.

What then for Labour?

Brightyangthing

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mim

the current marxist narrative is that china has a better 'economic' model which they call state capitalism. In the report there was no mention that their 'model' depends upon ignoring human rights, international patent/copyright law, international currency exchange manipulation, suppression of freedoms in media etc. So when the marxist gleefully talk up 'state capitalism' one has to see the shadow of misery upon which it is built. A society people still try to escape from and get illegally into the uk.

NN could not exist in China.

China has cunningly squeezed the west like a lemon and now can extend their empire. China are old fashioned imperialists. The fact that the west institutionalises incompetence and has no society building plan means anyone with a plan is likely to wipe the floor with them especially given the addiction to bonkers Adam Smith market fundamentalism and self interest as the best 'regulator' that only achieves crashes for the many.

how successful would china be if the currency floated, there was human rights, respect for patent law, freedom of information etc?

Thanks, DebtJuggler. All is now clear.