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What's the point of expensively testing millions ( is it 80% go to appeal and win when turned down ? ) when in a couple of years time IDS is introducing his alleged universal credit to replace the current IB / ESA and JSA. Looks like another New Labour corrupt public contract to get voted out politicians good jobs in the private sector, what is slimy Purnell doing these days ?

#1

'win' turned down forever

IT'S PART OF THE UNIQUE INITIATIVE OF THE CONDEMS TO CUT RED TAPE (#1)

Just had a newsletter from my MP asking for suggestions for the Big Red Tape Cut initiative (going forward).

The link he emailed didn't work. . .

According to today's Sun,


A sink estate in Rochdale has 84% of the people on benefits! Why is this? Is this because there was a government who (practically) made sure people were better off not working and claiming benefits?

Looks like Linda Norgrove wasn't killed by the Taliban/Al-Qaeda. She was killed by US grenades.

#3

condems = condemned, singie & co??

#5 Mistress76uk

Re Linda Norgrove

Last week the meedja were frothing-at-the-mouth that she was killed by the bad, bad, bad Taliban, now this week it's the heroic Yanks wot dunnit...but it was an accident, of course!

It's all just propaganda to keep the story in the public's minds i.e. those bad, bad, bad (statist, anti-usury, anti-democray) radical muslims!

Spin, spin, spin!

Now who in the meedja would want to do that?

(PS I overheard two Sainsburys shop assistents earlier today talking about last weekend's X-Factor)

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'麻豆官网首页入口 diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall said the latest developments would raise questions over UK and US relations and the possibility there was an attempt to cover up the circumstances of Ms Norgrove's death.'

Yes, one can see how, at this juncture, this would be the priority. Poor girl is long gone and her folks have no need of space at all, obviously.

Maybe Newsnight could get Brucie and George Galloway in to 'discuss' on the actual, confirmed, facts so far?

But one is sure their views will do just as well, along with every other armchair warrior who has a surefire method of rescuing hostages from terrorists (who only had her best interests at heart and have shown previously how they wouldn't touch a hair on a hostage's head), especially if it can spin off into other fruitful areas.

ecolizzy wrote:

'Then trevor says there's no racism in britain?



Are all white managers thick then, and not up to the job?'

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Which racial group is ALWAYS omitted from such headline grabbing stories about race?

Here's a clue...they've got 3 out of 4 of the top/highest paid jobs of all NN's staff!

OOOOH YOU ARE AWFUL! (#9)

But I like you.

Mazel Tov.

SO NOW IT'S WHO-DARES DAVE (#8)

He did a Tony! He took the (difficult - only Statesmen can do it) decision. You may doubt his judgement, but don't doubt that HE DID WHAT HE BELIEVED WAS RIGHT.

WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

Reminder of Tony's Law: "You can't just do nothing" (because that takes MORE courage, and the opposition and meeja make hay).

#7

Funny you should be talking about Sainsbury's as I've already been to one with the intention of popping into another one later. And I've just done some spinning, well, twirling in fact.

:o) Jeremy was at the Henley Literary Festival at the Weekend discussing Peter Hain's new book on Nelson Mandela

Source:

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ANDREW MARR HAS GONE TO FAR - ODD, HE NORMALLY STOPS SHORT . . .

Dear Mr Marr
I will justify myself on your show 'Inside the Lie' any time you wish.

My REAL NAME is on every post I make, and also heads my website and blogspot.

My views are based on living more years than you have done; wider in variety and including acquisition of knowledge of 'the human condition'.

Have you considered that one very good reason for OUR anger, is that YOU AND THE OTHER CONNIVERS STAY WITHIN THE LIE?

I have stood for Parliament and spent untold hours formulating, and proposing, possible ways to improve the state of Britain.

Step outside THE LIE Mr Marr, we need you. You can start by helping to

SPOILPARTYGAMES

ecolizzy wrote:

'Then trevor says there's no racism in britain?



Are all white managers thick then, and not up to the job?'

No this is an example of using statistics at face value and if the face value suits you, using it for political ends.

I am sure that a higher proportion of Indians and chinese get better jobs than whites British. The reason is that the samples are not comparable. On the whole the Indians and Chinese who come to this country are from the better educated and more ambitious sections of their communities at home and this is often reflected in their communities here. Work shy and underachieving Indians and Chinese don't even make it to this country. So while the sample of white British workers represent a true cross section of abilities and ambitions, this is not so with immigrant communities. Hence proportionally the immigrants do better. The figures do not prove any favouritism towards Indians and Chinese.

There was a very ironical shot in the film about Hartcliffe. When they were talking about new development they had a shot of a retail park and a large dark building. This building is a shell and the retail park is built on the site of the Wills Tobacco Factory. Hartcliffe people mainly worked in this factory - many more than are employed at the DIY store that work there now. The failure to provide employment opportunities when the factory was closing is part of the reason for this area's poor standing. It is all very well to try to get people back into work, but you need the jobs for them to go to. You can't expect people who messed up at school and have young families to look after (all their own fault some might say) to have the skills, ambition and energy to start up their own businesses.

#13

Mistress76uk

Mandela is probably one of those lucky people who get born happy while the need to pull out South Africe of its racial misery, he 'behaved' wisely and with fairness. I remember that when Jeremy interviewed him a few years ago on the radio, Mandela took out a toffee out of one's of his pockets and gave it to Paxo. A testimony to Mandela's light touch?

mim

4. At 1:29pm on 11 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

"A sink estate in Rochdale has 84% of the people on benefits! Why is this?"

Might it be because they were once kids whose parents didn't have abilities which are now in demand?

Is thinking that many steps back hard work? Can you imagine asking a question which is genuinely in pursuit of an answer? How long might such a question take to answer? What is research?


Here's a stimulus to ease some serious thought: is anti-racism a venal strategy to bring about selective dysgenesis (decline of the human race), bearing in mind that in Victorian and Edwardian times, racism just meant improving the human race, i.e programs to improve the human race. By focusing on some sub-populations have we been distracted from what they had in mind when they wrote about polices which served to poison the race, and if so, have some been politically rather venal by encouraging later generations to focus on sub-populations?

? What a remarkable thing for this man to say surely? Who did he have in mind?

Still, I bet few will look into the matter as it's a matter of in-comprehension.


Some published back in 1996, referring to conditions way back in the 1930s depression, which projected forward to what might be in the 1970s.

Timely given tonight's programme (and those last week)?

13. At 5:31pm on 11 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

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So, does rehabilitation work, or are many people in the West just rather naive politically? One can answer questions like that by looking into the original of The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, and by looking into some of the songs sung by Mandela in recent times.

What is a terrorist these days? Is SA doing well. I hope so, is Nigeria?

#18.

What are the songs, table, that Nelson Mandela has been singing?

#12 update

I'm 100% sure, debdty, that I didn't make it to Sainsbury's for the second time today Anna hope that you are very very disappointed by this particular 'failure' of mine.

#20 update

One of the reasons for the delay was that I had a fantastic time i'n Holland Park snapping away with my iphone4 taking images of nature and very interesting sculptures and having a few chats with other walkers. One 96year old Polish gentleman made me laugh so much with his hilarious rhymes I was almost in tears.

Best post of the day from RP's blog IMHO...

24. At 2:21pm on 11 Oct 2010, norwici wrote:

Philip Green is a world-class retailer and financier and his advice could save the country billions on the expenditure side of the balance sheet.

There is only one subject Green and his family know more about: tax avoidance. I look forward to Green's next report highlighting how we can raise tens of billions of pounds on the income side of the balance sheet. No accountant or businessman would look at only the expenditure side.

Retailers wouldn't survive long if they let shoplifters just walk out with goods from stores without paying. Oh, wait a minute, Green doesn't talk about the income side of the balance sheet, does he...

To recoup the 拢1.2 billion dividend exported tax-free to Monaco by Green's family (and unlikely to return to these shores):

1. If the government reduces printing costs by 50%, it will take 23 years;

2. If the government takes phones away from all phone users, including doctors, police, etc., it will take 57 years;

3. If hotel stays are banned, it will take 31 years;

And this is being kind and ignoring financing costs.

The cowardly Revenue just reached a settlement with Vodafone, writing off 拢6 billion in tax - it puts the 拢21 million p.a. spent on mobiles into perspective, doesn't it? 285 years to get that back.

Now, Green is even suggesting clobbering, putting it politely, small businesses on payment terms, while his familiy's businesses send hundreds of millions of pounds in dividends 'tax-free' to Monaco.

Green has his CCTV and store detectives to ensure the income side of the balance sheet is strong, and shoplifters are caught. The Revenue, meanwhile, is cutting the number of tax inspectors, when shoplifting is running riot. You couldn't make it up.

An aid worker is (possibly) killed by US grenade in an attempted rescue mission.

Question: what has 'The War on Terror' all about?
Answer: It was a subterfuge to justify a massive attack on the Public Sector in the USA and UK.

Question: How did that work?
Answer: Very well. If you get your domestic populations behind you in a fight against extreme regulators abroad, they aren't going to shed many tears when you then get rid of them at home in favour of privatisation. Look who did very nicely out of it. psychopaths have no conscience or loyalty except to their own self-interest.

"I am sure that a higher proportion of Indians and chinese get better jobs than whites British. The reason is that the samples are not comparable."

In terms of KEY STAGE and GCSE results in our Maintained Schools the order of attainment is:

British Chinese
British Indian
British White

So in terms of UK sampling, the result is as expected.

As to the Chinese being representative of their home populations (e.g.
HK and Mainland China). They are. Although Indians are not, Britain just gets more of their best, and India is nowhere near China in that league (they are more like Pakistan and Bangladesh, i.e about IQ points behind China, 15 behind UK). China has moved ahead by managing it's birth-rate as Mao promised. They learned from our Fabians in the 1930s. We didn't.

mr table

you talked about masochism the other day, didn't you? here's something that must be down your street:



any 'educating' thoughts on that?

Jonathan Powell has just managed to combine the pompous and pretentious with the utterly vacuous. I won't buy his book but I've happily already pre-ordered Gordon Brown's.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

WHAT KIND OF PERSON WORKS HAPPILY WITH A MESSIANIC DELUSIONAL? (#26)

Buy them both and have a 'Westminster Burning'.

Excellent debate by Jeremy tonight with Jonathon Powell and Lord Butler on Blair & Brown :o)
Very "Yes Minister" indeed....

Re my #27

Derogatory comments by Andrew Marr about bloggers are permitted, however, similar/civilised comments by posters about Andrew Marr are not.

Andrew Marr says bloggers are 'inadequate, pimpled and single'


'He added: "Most of the blogging is too angry and too abusive. Terrible things are said online because they are anonymous. People say things online that they wouldn't dream of saying in person."'

#26 Robert Crosby wrote:

'Jonathan Powell has just managed to combine the pompous and pretentious with the utterly vacuous. I won't buy his book but I've happily already pre-ordered Gordon Brown's.'

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Boy!...you must truly be a conscientious masochist!

#31

While me, debty, I would divert my eyes away at the site of anything to do with Gordie's 'undertakings'. I wonder whether he's 'hoping' to get the literary Nobel for his book. Has he already written one, anyway?

#24 So tab01 there is no hope of the white british ever achieving anything much in this country again, as we are beaten hands down by british chinese and british indians? So do we remain english/welsh/scots/irish or will we become chinese and indian?

#30

While me, I'd be only too happy to everything I say here straight in people's faces and probably a bit more, in fact.

So another tranche of job cuts... along with the proposed job losses about to be implemented by government, just what are the british going to do for work? Everyday I see more jobs going overseas, and more IT workers coming in by the back door.

What happens when the british no longer have any wage to spend, they are on the massacred benefits, just how will our economy keep running. There will not be any money to spend anywhere!

IS 'DETONATED' THE KEY WORD IN REPORTS OF THE DEATH OF MISS NORGROVE?

EXPLOSIVES are detonated - hand grenades are THROWN! Might it be that 'THROWN' sounds imprecise? An act of gung-ho attack, not subtle rescue.

Can anyone explain why such an incongruous verb is being used in 麻豆官网首页入口 reports? Would it be reasonable, in the circumstances, to suspect judicious 'adjustment' by some devious agency?

Once again I call for routine, competent inspection of political utterances, to lay bare the underlying craft.

#33

It's entirely up to you, Ecolizzy. Despite all the occupations throughout the ages and all the unfriendly pressures exerted, Poles have stayed Poles, something reiterated to me by the Polish man, who probably fought the Nazis together with the Brits in World War 2, who I mention in #21.

mim

#23

are you one of those?

OUR INSENSITIVE POLITICIANS: IGNORANCE OR ARROGANCE - FOOL OR KNAVE (#22)

The appointment of Philip Green (seen in terms of post 22) is just SO typical of the mechanistic way Westminster thinks. They seem only ever to see the outcome they desire, in this cast that we accept Green as a proven management wizard; hence government is cutting costs brilliantly. But he also, surely, qualifies as a Fat Cat?

If only we could know how the Westminster ninnies arrived at this appointment! Was it the same old feudal stupidity: Lord Dave, having no empathy with the filthy-poor, decides on Green and tells all the yes-ciphers, who then tumble over themselves to endorse his brilliance?

Or are they just unbelievable inept?

Was that too rude Mr Marr?

#32

And I just wonder whether Gordie is going to talk about the 'waterworks' that was 'discussed' during the PMQ's the same afternoon as some kind of 'treasure' and the Nobel Prize while Pete Mandelson talked around the time an 'experiment'. Was the Nobel Prize 'hoped' to be won for the 'experiment'?

"Andrew Marr says bloggers are 'inadequate, pimpled and single'"

isn't it the 麻豆官网首页入口 and Guardian journalists (like Andrew Marr) who write the main articles who are the bloggers? The people who comment upon what they write are merely commentators are they not? I can quite believe that none of them bother reading comments, after all, they're just their viewers/readers, what do their views matter?.

For example, Paul Mason describes his blog thus: About this blog I'm Paul Mason, Newsnight鈥檚 economics editor, a job that takes me from Kenyan shanty towns to Russian hedge funds and Chinese factories. My blog is called Idle Scrawl. It veers wildly across the subject: from house prices, to global poverty; from deconstructing glib terminology to devastating critiques of the England football management. It is occasionally meant to be funny.

Presumably Mr Marr is referring to his audience i.e. licence fee payers etc? Perhaps he'd prefer it if his viewers/readers just quietly watched his programmes, red his articles and admired him and his guests?

The reality is that a lot of people out there are very angry at media arrogance and narcissism, and justifiably so it would seem.

Instead of picking up on any of this, however, the above bloggers seem to dismiss it. What does that suggest these bloggers might be looking for? What characterises the media? Perhaps some of the anger is because so many journalists seem to discuss what goes on in the country as if it isn't actually happening (to them)? Maybe they don't notice this because they have a self-selecting audience?

41. At 07:45am on 12 Oct 2010, tabblenabble01 wrote:
Perhaps he'd prefer it if his viewers/readers just quietly watched his programmes..'

There was once a ... carefully pre-vetted... 'we want your views' website page to his Sunday confy chats. Can't find it any more.

For those daring to 'engage', if not actually reply, like Nick R, there is always 'closed for comments'.

Shutters down at around 40 last night when things went 'off piste'.

Helena Boaden would be proud.

#42

How would you judge your French, junk. So so, good, very very good or out of this world?

#43 addendum

Mine's not too bad but can definitely be improved. Perhaps one day I'll have the time and enough honest money to restart.

The population of england continues to explode, I wonder when it is going to implode and start rioting as there is a scarcity of work, food and water, especially the latter.

HOW MANY LIBDEMS DOES IT TAKE TO SEE-OFF INTEGRITY?

We shall soon know if representative democracy is dead in Westminster.

Every man has his price.

What price integrity in Westminster?

Hey Mods!

As today is 'Exceptions that prove the House Rules' day, I have a pome for you:

'There once was a lady from Barking,
Which seemed appropriate'

[fin]

I'd have done it all in French, but only got "O' level decades ago. Which, on reflection, must be worth a shot at EU Correspondent these days. How about it?

JunkkMale:)

@ Ecolizzy #45 - 135,000 failed asylum seekers to stay in the UK! What the.....

#45

Scarcity of food and water, Ecolizzy, so why are all the supermarket shelves overflowing with the stuff? Isn't it a case that mountains of food are thrown away into bins or fields every day while half empty water bottles are lying all over the place?

mim

"33. At 00:08am on 12 Oct 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
#24 So tab01 there is no hope of the white british ever achieving anything much in this country again, as we are beaten hands down by british chinese and british indians? So do we remain english/welsh/scots/irish or will we become chinese and indian? "

Well, no, as the other poster correctly said, this is all to do with proportions. The British Chinese pupils only comprise about 2000 of the 560,000 of the year group (about half a percent of that population) and the Indians are only about 14,000. There are still more bright White British in absolute terms. Personally, I don't think it matters what nation people originally come from so long as they are good citizens.
The problem is the ones who don't do very well in school or elsewhere.
If we keep importing more of those and breeding more of those, we just make the problems we create through breeding too many dysfunctional White British worse not better. The way we are headed is in the direction of Nigeria, Bangladesh, and Pakistan etc, which are failed states for this precise reason I suggest.

"45. At 09:23am on 12 Oct 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
The population of england continues to explode, I wonder when it is going to implode and start rioting as there is a scarcity of work, food and water, especially the latter."

I suggest you read the series written in mid mid 1990s by professor Armytage on this issue, i.e go to the Newsletter Index and start with part 1. The problems which concern you go (and me) clearly go way back to the 20s and 30s, and are clearly managed today, albeit somewhat badly. I guess one has to now ask what would have to be legally in place here to do anything about it?

"42. At 08:35am on 12 Oct 2010, JunkkMale wrote:

There was once a ... carefully pre-vetted... 'we want your views'
website page to his Sunday confy chats. Can't find it any more.

For those daring to 'engage', if not actually reply, like Nick R, there is always 'closed for comments'."

I understand why they get upset, as I suspect do you, but the reality is that the sort of behaviour which they complain about sadly is representative of society at large (the viewers), it's their programmes which are out of touch. I no longer watch the AM Show or read NR's board as I don't think either are in touch with social reality. Instead, they operate and present in the rather closed, quasi fictionalised, media world, along with many of their guests. That's entertainment I guess.
They even talk about this themselves in terms of 'the Westminster and media bubble'. When the Expenses Scandal blow, so did the deceit of the media bubble, they should be encouraged to remember Socksgate, Betsygate and the apologies etc.

AM and NR etc need to stand back and take some of this on board, as they really have become performing artistes. There is a dearth of sincere news and political reporting today. It has all become a performing art with presenters as the stars/prima donnas/divas.

#46

Only O Level, junk, you must have had an outstanding teacher then to be mixing French expressions like 'off piste' with the English ones i'n your everyday language, 'eurocorrespondent'. I've put the last word i'n inverted comas but in fact you might have something to do with the EU, if not beyond it. Do you?

#52 update

I'm in touch with Europe as well, and with the USA.

mim
From a Starbucks table in Fulham Road, with hunger and thirst taken care of!!!!

Monika

#51

I didn't realise that Paxo or Marr or Crick were that feminine as to be called 'divas' or 'donnas'. As for being called 'stars, well for some they may even be shining ones. ****

51. At 10:45am on 12 Oct 2010, tabblenabble01 wrote:
I understand why they get upset, as I suspect do you,

Well, of course. I really shouldn't have allowed myself to be seduced to the less bright side, but today I simply found myself ... vexed ... more than usual by 'erratic' modding, especially when it is not about topics at all, but personalities of those trying to discuss them. At least, one presumes, as mis-spellings seem all the rage, when a cut & paste is so easy to do.

training that delivers skills is of more use to the 'national interest' than most of what is taught in universities?

Naivety

civvies going to afghanistan is basically a suicide mission?

Powell Machiavelli

The Prince is described as 'a manual for tyrannical rulers' that views power as the highest idea of the mind. which is not the same as the good. That Machiavelli was a "teacher of evil," since he counsels the princes to avoid the values of justice, mercy, temperance, wisdom, and love of their people in preference to the use of cruelty, violence, fear, and deception. So its methods are consistent with the legacy of deception of the new labour government.

Machiavelli wrote plays and comedies. Some even think The Prince was written as satire and only ignorant people thought it a 'book of instructions'. In his Discourses on Livy he contradicts points raised in The Prince.

The Prince is beloved of communists.

#56

That certainly explains quite a lot why there is so much chaos and confusion all over the place but I shoulldn't think the world is necessarily in need of miracles to pull out of the mess. Calm, positive thinking, determined application of common sense and rational humanity could be of help.

"56. At 1:17pm on 12 Oct 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

The Prince is beloved of communists."

Is that communists like Blair/Orwell/Trotsky, or communists like Stalin/Hitler/Mao

I take it you know of ?

Powell did a good job at finally scuttling New labour last night. But as Butler said, what such people say should be taken with a large pinch of salt. It's the Civil Service/Public Service which runs the country.

Undermine that, and you really are at the mercy of entrepreneurs, and remarkably, that's precisely what most people seem to have voted for!!

Look at some of the comments here when some of the behaviours fundamental to this are highlighted, they don't like them being pointed out. That's the problem. That's what speaks volumes. There are few exceptions, I'll name one - ecolizzy, and even she has yet to look fully into the awful complexity of what lies out there, and can anyone blame her?

Listen carefully to Vince Cable berating New Labour for their track record in letting PRIVATE debt getting out of hand.

Stop a moment to think as he then goes on to assert that this means that each householder is more in debt than any other country in Europe.

Now, what has he done?

What he seems to have done is masterly blurred private commercial debt with private domestic debt.

What we have seen is massive growth of Private Sector i.e.
commercial/business debt since the 90s (and especially since deregulation at the end of the 90s).

But, the number of householders in the UK is only about 14 million, and even if the was as high as 拢200,000 (double it for interest over 25
years) that could not account for all the debt, which is, if one just thinks about it, business debt. There always have been mortgages (and business debts), but is it private housing debt that is out of control or is it commercial and other business expansion debt?

I am just making a conjecture here, but the conjecture is that the British public is being misled. The conjecture is that they are being misled into believing that the debt is their personal domestic debt when in fact it is probably largely highly geared BUSINESS/COMMERCIAL private debt, much of it being financial services
(banking) debt as bad loans base don too little capitalization. Banks are in the PRIVATE sector remember, as are all business. Most of the public sector (e.g British Leyland, British Rail, Airways, Gas, Telecom, Nuclear Fuels, it goes on and on) was privatised years ago. So where is the debt likely to be?

I suspect what credible face Vince wants the public to do is to bail out the PRIVATE sector debt by sacrificing their PUBLIC sector once the Comprehensive Spending Review is published.

Please look into the figures and by all means falsify this conjecture, bearing in mind that the Lib-Dems (like the Conservatives) are Libertarians (anarchists) not statists. The Con-Dem track record will be one of further asset stripping the state I predict.