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Please can we hold the LibDems to account over the way their manifesto said one think whilst Nick Clegg was planning to do exactly the opposite BEFORE the election?

Point One: tuition fees 鈥� firm commitment to abolish them over coming years plus no increase, it said in the manifesto 鈥� BUT we now know from LibDem leaks that Clegg planned to ditch this policy BEFORE the election date.

Point Two: spending cuts 鈥� again firm commitment to oppose rapid and deep spending cuts 鈥� AGAIN a leak has revealed Clegg also planned to do the exact opposite BEFORE the election date.

I voted tactically LibDem in opposition to the local Tory 鈥� I BELIEVED the LibDem wouldn鈥檛 go back on these manifesto commitments 鈥� Nick Clegg deceived me 鈥� he allowed us to vote KNOWING he was going to do exactly the opposite if he went into coalition.

The argument that Clegg had to compromise in coalition doesn鈥檛 hold water 鈥� he had decided to do PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of what his manifesto said BEFORE ANY TALKS TOOK PLACE and BEFORE POLLING DAY!

This is the dictionary definition of untrustworthy 鈥� it was and is dishonest and deceitful - that is what is at the heart of the PLDP

I entirely accept that an incoming government opens to books and has to make decisions rapidly which may run counter to their manifesto 鈥� I accept that going in coalition also requires compromises which may well be at odds with the manifesto too - BUT

THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED! CLEGG MADE THESE DECISIONS BEFORE POLLING DAY!

What other decisions did he take in flat opposition to his manifesto before I put my cross against his candidate?

Please take LibDem MPs to task over this issue 鈥� it strikes right to the heart of coalition government in general and the fees debate in particular - the LibDems who won't go back on their signed commitment to oppose fee increases are the only ones with a shred of integrity left - the LibDem leadership knowingly and cynically deceived the electorate - and the whole party must pay the price for this at the next election.

But Clegg et al won't be LibDems by then - I'm sure Cameron is already thinking which safe Tory seats could be earmarked for them.

MY TOTAL ENDORSEMENT (FOR WHAT LITTLE IT IS WORTH IN THIS 'DEMOCRACY')

Richard Bunning @ 1 above, speaks for me.

I wish to add that Clegg should also be asked where he gets his mandate from - not as leader, but as an MP. DID HIS CONSTITUENTS VOTE 'CLEGG' OR 'ROSETTE'?

Finally: I wish to emphasise that I, TOO, TACTICALLY VOTED LIBDEM to defeat a Tory.

CLEGG DECEIVED ME.

"Please can we hold the LibDems to account over the ....."

Probably not. Before they were elected in 1997 Labour promised never to introduce tuition fees. In 1998 less than one year later they introduced means-tested tuition fees. Nobody cared or bothered reporting much the objections from the LibDems and Conservatives.

In 2004 both the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats opposed Labour's new plans, which introduced top-up fees allowing universities to charge students 拢3,000-a-year, payable when they earn 拢15,000. Labour, prior to the election, had denied that it was going to introduce top-up charges.

Labour demonstrated twice that a party can lie about the introduction fees before an election and then introduce them after they've won and the press won't say much about it. It is utter hypocrisy to throw tantrums about it now just because you don't like the coalition.

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"New" Labour did welch on their promise - no denying it - I was just as mad with them as I am with the LibDems - but with one important difference:

I'm sure Labour did at least go into the election believing in not having fees - the goalposts moved well after the election for other reasons, primarily because Blair & Brown were so obsessed with cutting income tax that they were prepared to introduce fees instead of raising the money via direct taxation - this time the LibDems pretended to oppose fees whilst secretly planning to ditch the manifesto promise in the weeks just before the election, whilst Clegg "seems" to have lied through his teeth to his local University stduents in Sheffield.

I made a point of saying in my first post that if and when a government comes to power and looks at the options and finds it needs to shift position, that this is understandable, but what Clegg has done is nothing like that - he deliberately misled us going into the election, pure and simple.

We are now offered a system where the government's Student Loan Company will increase government debt by 拢20+ Bn of loans, cost millions to run, whilst the byzantine system of repayments, exemptions, clawbacks, fee caps, parental assessments, bursaries and all the other waste of time & money associated with this scheme will deliver virtually no difference in who pays what from using the income tax system to fund education.

WHY ARE WE TRYING TO USE STUDENT FEES AS A FORM OF TAXATION? EITHER EDUCATION IS PRIVATE LIKE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND YOU GO - YOU PAY - OR ITS PART OF STATE EDUCATION FUNDED OUT OF TAXATION - AND WE ALL PAY PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXATION - AND ALL BENEFIT FROM THE SKILLS OF OUR NATION.

This is about creating a market in higher education - - the libertarian dream of rolling back the state and ending the social provision of higher education - the new scheme will cost a fortune to run for zero benefit - in fact it will be more expensive to run and increase the UK's level of debt.

This is bad government, socially devisive, wasteful and ultimately when this generation arrive at retirement age with no pension, no home ownership or savings, the state will foot a welfare bill two or three orders of mangitude higher than the cost of their education.

NANNY STATE? MORE: 'HEAVY PARENT STATE' UNDER OUR KEN

Does ken have any parenting skills? Ken says that when a crime is committed, the FIRST matter to address is punishment. Really Ken? With children, the first consideration is: "Why did he/she do that?" If you are REALLY good at parenting, the next thought is: "What part did I play in this."

Ken has been in Westminster a long time. I suggest he bears some responsibility for HOW THE COUNTRY HAS 'TURNED OUT'. Perhaps he should be sent for training in state 'parenting' (i.e. running a country). While Ken has been swanning about, purporting to be some part of government, prisons have steadily filled. Now he suddenly knows how to empty them. Yeah right.

looks like the usa is determined to make JA a freedom information martyr? Inspiring a hundred clones?

the usa sledgehammer to crack a nut approach is also in evidence in their airport security according to experts?

..Guiora, who flew 400,000 kilometres last year, also criticizes security practices at western airports.

He has never been patted down or brushed with a security wand at an airport in Israel.

North Americans would be better off focusing efforts on "sophisticated intelligence gathering and analysis, coupled with observing non-verbal behaviour."

Recalling the so-called underwear bomber last Christmas Eve, Guiora says the case would have been handled differently in Israel.

"No way does that guy get on a plane with a one-way ticket purchased with cash, flying without a coat and no suitcase to Detroit in the middle of winter. You don't need to touch the guy. Just ask him a series of questions."

His view is seconded by the Israeli think-tank Global Research in International Affairs (Gloria), which last week labelled U.S. airport security "horrendous ... a giant, expensive system that achieves almost nothing.".....





so israelis can do profiling and not be called rcist but if the west you are called rcist for profiling?

it is ludicrous that in the uk profiling behaviour [rather than race] isn't used.

STILL WAITING FOR WIKILEAKS COUP DE GRACE RE 9/11

The 'greatest crime ever on US soil' - zilch. Try this sequence of pics and wonder why:

Shame on the British Establishment for not allowing bail for the freedom fighter and crusader for natural justice and remanding him in custody. The level of support will rock the esatblishment on it's heels but it will still do America's bidding after all it's slavish obedience to American foreign policy in illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will deter any chance of a fair trial....shame on them....

After all we've seen over the past couple of years, all these whines about trying to hold politicians to account for what they promised is daft and annoying, as daft and annoying as expecting those who sold debts to NINJAs to be brought to task.
As far as all these people are concerned you and I signed on their dotted lines (so to speak), and they're free to do as they please. They have done nothing 'wrong'.
That's how they all operate.They don't care about the electorate, except as a means to their own ends. The entire political/business system works this way. The electorate is just a means to ends. It's very naive to think otherwise given all that we've been shown, so why do so many people here keep asking for the impossible?
Surely we can't all be stupid?
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jauntycyclist (6) "it is ludicrous that in the uk profiling behaviour rather than race] isn't used."
Surely it's pretty much forbidden under The Equality Act (2010) and the EU Convention of Human Rights? If people were to discriminate more they might end up noticing things, and that would probably be very bad for those people who make a very good living out of pulling the wool over other people's eyes (e.g. mortgage and other debt brokers). That, in turn, would presumably be very bad for the economy, and so nobody should encourage such activity, unless of course, you are out to make lots of money out of other people, then it's OK.and you'll probably get an award or something.
I see it's working too. According to the OECD results published today, most of the UK and USA is way down in the maths and science league tables.

鈥淚 am richardbunningbarriesingleton !鈥�


(And I didn鈥檛 even vote for the Lib Dims or the Big Cons!)


But the -real - big question is will Special 鈥淜鈥� , the Nn Editors and the production team, act on behalf of those that have been betrayed and 鈥榞o for the throat鈥�?

If nothing else one thing could be pretty certain .....

At the next General Election ...

It may well be a two horse race!

The third 鈥榟orse鈥� presently being nobbled by another runner!




And ... Oh yes! ....

Good - part two of the - story of the (self) segregated community school.

(Why didn鈥檛 it make the 鈥榙aily blurb鈥�?)

Experience tells me that what is really needed is a hell of a lot more than a 鈥榣ocal鈥� initiative.

鈥楾hese鈥� are national problems!

Yep, there is a clue - as to the solution - in that thar last sentence!

Can you get it!

(No? Then perhaps you are ideally suited to be an HMP!)

Sadly there really is far too much fear in the current 鈥榮ystem鈥� .... all the way to the very top!

And Go-very-fast will offer nothing more than - verbal - palliatives!

There's more stuff on 麻豆官网首页入口 News tonight about sentencing, knife-crime etc with one body arguing this and another arguing that.
I thought we gave up arguing with The Enlightenment? I was taught that argument is just a logical process of validity and that it's evidence which is supposed to drive practice? One can't arrive at truth through argument alone, so why do we hear so much today expressed in terms of arguments for and against this and that? It's really very strange.
Forsooth, have we done a time shift back to the Middle Ages?

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did we ever leave it? We still have a norman monarchy apartheid system.

'point scoring' is the game according to one internet warfare team manual.

Those who want to perpetuate a self serving agenda need to perpetuate the 'darkness', from which they profit, with false argument and fabricated/distorted evidence.

which is why anyone, writers, artists, scientists, journalists who brings light ends up in the gulags.

To paraphrase a quote 'Truth? What's that got to do with it? The truth will see you dead'

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yes the pig philosophy of 'no discrimination' is pretty much enshrined in law. We must be good little piggies. Oink Oink.

This is fun, why the virtual news blackout about what's going on at Cancun ?

Once the student fee system is in place, I propose we take a look at other ways to spread the cost of higher education more fairly.

OK so only 50% of people go to university - and they now effectively pay the full cost of doing so because it is felt to be "unfair on those who don't go to university to fund higher education our of general taxation" - with me so far?

So now that graduates are self-funding, why should those that do not go to university benefit from the skills and knowledge of those that did and are forced to pay hansomely for the priviledge?

I propose a "non-graduate benefit tax" - a tax on those who did not contribute to the skills base of the UK, but who benefit in their daily lives from the expertise and skills of those that did - fair's fair, after all!

For example rail fares for non graduates should be surcharged 10% extra - and there should be a non-graduate patient contribution too for using the NHS - rents should have a 10% surcharge on on graduates to recompense architects for their design of the buildings.

Add a 拢1 to every newspaper price - surcharge TV licenses, use of computers, air travel - hey, the list is endless.

If those that did go into education have to pay for it, why should those that didn't but benefit from it not have to pay their way too?

Clearly this is a ludicrous proposal - but it's no more ludicrous than what we are being saddled with. Society exists - we are interdependent - to atomise higher education into an insane, costly and pointless bureacracy is dogmatic politics gone mad.

The higher fees scheme turns the choice of whether or not to go into higher education from one based on ability to one based on a game of russian roulette - "will I earn enough to pay off my loan - or will I be weighed down with debt repayments for years to come?"

Fair? Sensible? Practical?

richard #16

The trouble with the current system is that many graduates faced with paying off their loan apply to work overseas. As it stands at present if you work overseas ( which incidentally includes the IoM ) you have no obligation to pay off your loan even when you are earning substantially more than the 15k threshold. This loophole needs plugging, because many people who could be of use to our economy go overseas perhaps permanently.

Its sort of a state sponsored brain drain, even though you might want to get a job in this country at some stage. A relative of mine is an engineering graduate who did teacher training as a science teacher with particular focus on Physics. His first job was a year in the IOM which sort of got him hooked on avoiding paying back his loan, then he went to the Falkland Islands for a year contract. He did try to apply for a Physics job local to where he originated from, but they would not recognize experience in the Falklands. That was despite the fact that he had got documented better than expected exam results from his sheep farmer pupils. He ended up taking a job in Kuwait, and has been there a couple of years now, I believe that the Falklands have asked for him back when his current contract ends.

Of course in an ideal situation courses in science and engineering should be totally free, with all the other less important often pointless subjects paying more. Perhaps a compromise would be to make your science / engineering course free if you remained in the UK for at least 10 years. At least the threshold is going up to 21k but that still means teachers have to pay back their loans. It was a lot simpler in the old days when everybody just paid 60% tax on higher incomes and education was free.

Regarding the arrest of Mr Julian Assange of wikkileaks fame, if this is to be seen as a political manoeuvre by the present American regime, i would suggest that they first look at there own security arrangements for dispatching information, as it seems to be that it dose not take much of a genius to collect there so called sensitive correspondence between there diplomats. military and political masters, especially when you look at the amount of information collected, i would suggest that they look at there own insufficiencies rather than participate in a witch hunt of Mr Julian Assange, its not wikkileaks who are putting so called peoples life's at risk, but organisations who have been compromised , due to there lack of security and common sense.

THE 麻豆官网首页入口 ARE STILL BELIEVERS BUT THEN SUNDAY WORSHIP IS STILL WITH US (#15)

There is a fairly simplistic science program on Radio 4 (Not 'Listen with Quentin') that was asked about Methane release, from the permafrost 'muck'. Not one word of reality regarding AGW. In passing, they reported that Methane level has ceased to rise.

FAIR SENSIBLE PRACTICAL (#16)

I warm to the idea RB. As motorists pay OVER THE ODDS taxwise, we should be able to park on the drives of non motorists? Have I got it by George?

Is this similar to 'raising the broadband speed' (aka preventing a DROP in broadband speed) BECAUSE TV STREAMING IS GOING TO GO MAD? Mind you, if we stopped schooling (corralling) kids, and actually educated them via the internet, I think I would have to lie down in the dark.

THE AWAKENING - A SECOND ENLIGHTENMENT?

Is it just possible that Wikileaks, plus the internet, will bring a never-before-achieved level of wakefulness, in an unprecedented number of individuals, around the world, leading to an awareness that we elevate the wrong people to governance?

9/11 will come home to roost for what it was. As will the Blair adventures. Then we have the climate deceit. I presume the global money collapse will emerge as contrived. Add your own.

There may only be a brief window between Awakening and Armageddon but I shall enjoy saying 'I told you so' to a few surprised friends.

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for me climate justice should be about those countries with warm climates paying the heating bills of those in cold climates.

the frankenstien of the climate babble is carbon trading that is now a 100 billion market [of taxpayers money through all your bills energy, food, council, state taxes etc.]

but another week and another round of carbon fraud

....Italy鈥檚 Gestore dei Mercati Energetici SpA suspended trading of European Union carbon permits on its exchange, citing abnormal trading and presumed irregular or unlawful behaviors. ...

[Bloomberg]

the japanese may yet bring that house of cards down as they refuse to renew Kyoto [ironic?] that gave birth to this obscene public funded ATM much to the 'vampires caught in the sunlight shrieking of those countries [China] who benefit from this wealth transfer. Apparently china is poor and we are rich so they need the uk tax money more than we do.



Cancun maybe the suicide capital of Mexico but it is also one of the Caribbean鈥檚 hubs of sex tourism. So if delegates don't fancy one they can try the other?

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Careful - you may be designated an "unperson" committing thoughtcrimes like that. In this world of spin and deception universally charged "fees" are not taxes, you have complete feedom of speech providing you have nothing to say and as we move into the era of LibDem Newspeak, here's a quick translation of some of Big Clegg's:

"Fairness" - what the Conservatives will swallow
*Unfairness" - as in "high welfare spending is unfair" - taxing the rich to help the poor.
"new Politics" - saying one thing and doing the exact opposite
"progressive politics" - reactionary politics
"personal freedom" - private affluence and public squalor
"broken politics" - a minority getting its way over the majority (but not if it is a ConDem coalition riding roughshod over its promises)
"Fair votes" - I get to be the kingmaker forevermore
"our blueprint for a freer, fairer Britain" - a pack of lies we say to you to get you to vote for us.
"Liberal Democrats will bring down the faceless state" - we will smash the welfare state to bail out the bankers
"let鈥檚 clean up politics" - allow me to do dirty deals behind closed doors and ditch as much of the wet liberal manifesto as I can

I hope that helps you understand the importance of Newspeak: as George Orwell wrote, "it's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."

The underlying principles which Oldspeak words expressed went out of the window the moment Big Clegg got a whiff of political power.

CAN WE TAP THE ENERGY OUTPUT JAUNTY? (#22)

Whole new meaning to the word 'heat'. (Or an old one.)

The warkster must have worn that top for a bet. I was transported back to the 70s whilst watching tonights show..the pattern was like the wall paper from the set of Abigail's Party. I always said Kirsty could wear anything and look good..i was wrong.

The wikileak fella..usefull idiot, that's what he is, a useful idiot.

Barrie wrote @21:
"Is it just possible that Wikileaks, plus the internet, will bring a never-before-achieved level of wakefulness, in an unprecedented number of individuals, around the world, leading to an awareness that we elevate the wrong people to governance?"

Well, we've already got our 1st upfront affirmative action president, so yeah, in answer to your question..business as usual.

Global awakening:

HALF A LOAF (#26)

I'll give him 5 out of 10 Kev. My assertion - for the avoidance of doubt - is that in Naked Emperor States, where the voters live within the lie of 'democracy', coercion, deception, guile, seduction etc, are all used by THE WRONG STUFF, to reach positions of power. Hence we get, across recorded time, a variety of needy, immature individuals, all desperately trying to get CONTROL of EVERYTHING TO allay the sort of fears that destroy from within.

Such men (with the odd woe-man) ARE DRIVEN TO CONTROL THE KNOWN WORLD. Alas - that now comprises the entire globe.

The irony is that dictators usually arise from the ranks described - AS DO 'DEMOCRATIC' LEADERS! It's going to be a long dark teatime of the soul, methinks.

Think Tony and repeat after me: "WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE".
Any American cousin - just insert 'Dubya' for Tony - same mantra.

Frontline Club looks a place for 'useful idiots'?


Lybia
Labour govt more interested in money than law again [Saudi arms deal]? How terrified our govt is over mere words and money given their attitude to money is the opposite when it comes to the banks?

Yemen

'has a civil war in the North no one can remember the cause of'. hahaha

Bin ladin. Survival or Death

its an undeclared 3rd world war. as long as we deny it [the jihadis don't] then they will have the initiative.

'Knowledge must be free'

Peace and order does not fall out the sky. it is built, designed, controlled, planned. The teenagerary belief in anarchy is just that. immature. The purpose of society is provide a safe environment for the species to continue. not a computer game drug for people who have no sense of responsibility. You can literally see in their faces people getting 'high' on these false beliefs.

the internet has the power to magnify previously fringe ideologies held by a small number of the ignored into big events. AQ and wikileaks are both small fringe philosophies that do not take the good as the highest idea of the mind.

What condemns wikileaks is the data dumping, the wholesale broadcasting of data whether it has any public interest case or not. People who make those with verbal diarrhoea their friends will also fall victim to their ingrained habit. it is a mania.

TUITION FEES

the libdems in govt positions will vote for, some will abstain as per the coalition agreement, some will vote against because they signed a pledge; what IS the big deal?

Yet again, we see MEEJA attempting to engineer splits for want of any meaningful "story" coming from the Young Jewish Dentist Party.

Here's the real story; Scottish Welsh and N.Irish MPs voting on a purely English issue; they should be ashamed of themselves.

Blair's not around now, but it was his fault, this typically ill thought out and truly half baked attempt at devolution that sees my German nephew able to attend Edinburgh Uni and pay no fees, yet my Scots born neice, resident in Manchester, will pay fees to attend the same Uni.

Fairness? Don't make me laugh! Since when was any of this political piffle about fairness?

Andrew Neil raised a good point on the DP Show today; if political manifestos are so easily forgotten, on what do we base our choice at the ballot box? Who's poshest?

The US Authorities keep repeating that Assange has "endangered US National Security", apparently in the hope it will eventually be believed just by simple repetition. Lets look at that claim.

what wikileaks has done, is reveal that our Elites are just human - most of the documents have demonstrated the actuality of opinions most of us held anyway - we are NOT surpised at the contents, apart from a few revelations. Looking at the claim this is "Harming National Security": it is absurd, in the extreme. In fact they have srengthened them - IF your assumption is that the US and allies, the ones attacking Wikileaks and Julian Assange, really desire peace!

it as strengthened them, because the Elites of our countries are now more aware that they are under scrutiny by the Public, a forced transparency due to the risks taken by whistleblowers and the publishers. Wikileaks, along with Citizen and Netizen activity, can make this world safer by making negotiatons more honest, by preventing high-level corruption (an amazing disincentive!), and by making honest journalists jobs easier - with more accurate reporting.

in other words, the Wikileaks releases have decreased the chances of backroom deals, reducing the possibility of wars caused by unscrupulous leaders.

in other words - a far safer world for ALL. Surely then, Wikileaks has not "harmed US National Interest". But then what HAS it done? Well, it has embarrased our Elites, made them seem normal, shown them with the same weaknesses and foiles as 'normal people'.

i note that there has been *much* more huffing and puffing over these releases in the mainstream media and Western capitals, than in the revelations that showed the West invaded Iraq under completely false pretences breaking International Law, causing this formerly wealthy nation to become a basket-case, and the heart-rending destruction of both lives, families, and an entire society.

the concept of Wikileaks *could* have prevented this, - which would also have prevented the "security blow-back'" we in the West are worried about from that terrible invasion.

as so many writers have pointed out, the greatest agent causing potential harm to "US National Interests", is the US Govt itself. And can most certainly not be placed at the door of Mr Assange and Wikileaks.


Embarrassment ***IS NOT A NATIONAL THEAT***.



and Rudd: this is NOT a 'blame game'. Its nice your "supporting" Assange, but if so, please do it by publicly supporting the rights of whistleblowers - and publishers to publish.

...hey Barry. =)

barriesingleton (yesterday at post 44) "I get the impression that you are not taken with the conclusions I have drawn from a life of observation and deduction? You seem to feel I should have spent more time being told what to think by others. This would only be worthwhile if the 'others' had observed and deduced to a higher standard than I; but what yardstick do I use for such comparison? Theirs? "
Yes, of course. That is, after all, how all reasonable, well-educated people behave is it not? If one can not, and does not, listen to reasonable, well-educated people, who can one, and who does one, learn from in life?.
Most educated people have been taught with good reason that their own personal experiences (and their deductive abilities) are never enough by themselves. That's why one won't find anyone with credibility referring to their own personal experiences as justification for anything that they say. In fact, when people do precisely that, it is usually to signal to others that what they have to say should not be taken too seriously, as it is only based on limited experience, and may therefore be wrong! Doctors and engineers talk this way. Surely you know this? If not, you are missing something fundamentally important and you should take note.
I found your comment above rather strange and so thought it should be further commented upon..

jauntycyclist (28) "Peace and order does not fall out the sky. it is built, designed, controlled, planned. The teenagerary belief in anarchy is just that. immature. The purpose of society is provide a safe environment for the species to continue. not a computer game drug for people who have no sense of responsibility. You can literally see in their faces people getting 'high' on these false beliefs."
Yes. Your heart is in the right place, but the problem is it is very hard, if not impossible, to tell young minds this, especially the more excitable ones which need stimulation. Furthermore, much of our politics now seems to be primarily orientated towards helping those who make and sell products and services, and not towards protecting the consumer. This is justified in terms of free market economics, where people are considered to be equally free to rationally choose, and their collective choices determine value. End of story.
That is the anarchy of which you speak, and which all but defines the way which we live these days. Most of our politicians have grown up with this as their (largely unquestioned) ideology, and we can see that by what they vigorously oppose.
This is also reflected by the choice of content shown on the 麻豆官网首页入口 and Newsnight. For example, the two guests last night who were talking about
the all too convenient bete noir Mr Assange in the context of Internet freedom seem to think that they're rebels. In reality they too help sustain the constant churn which makes the Libertarian system work as it does, i.e. in favour of the markets shaping value. The law and the markets tend to work together you will note (viz the financial isis)..The US military protects the markets and clearly strives to expand them across the world. That is the prism through which Wikileaks should be viewed.
The reality today is that the astute will be looking to bond yields, not to 'higher' values. Does this happen in China?

"Tonight we can promise excitement aplenty.
Is Wikileaks a lot bigger and more powerful than Julian Assange? Amidst extraordinary scenes he was finally arrested and remanded in custody today in connection with allegations of rape and sexual molestation in Sweden - allegations he denies. There will be a full extradition hearing on December 14th. High profile supporters - Jemima Khan, John Pilger, Ken Loach - were in court today offering to stand bail. "
If anyone wants evidence that 麻豆官网首页入口 News has now just become a form of entertainment, surely this is it? The brief was to inform, educate and entertain, it was not to do all at the same time and in the same programme(s)!

richard bunning (16)
"OK so only 50% of people go to university - and they now effectively pay the full cost of doing so because it is felt to be "unfair on those who don't go to university to fund higher education our of general taxation" - with me so far?"
No. It used to be the case that students were funded because they were in fact the brightest and best, and most would go on to contribute to society (which was socialist at the time) once they graduated (as in China today). Now it's just a luxury, where they get to go and do pretty much what they like for three or four years, and most of what they do will be of no use to them or anyone else. Today, most of them should pay, given it's basically just a three or four year entertainment session.
"So now that graduates are self-funding, why should those that do not go to university benefit from the skills and knowledge of those that did and are forced to pay hansomely for the priviledge?"
That's akin to saying that those who don't buy fatty burghers should have a penalty for not filling the coffers of fast food conglomerates. Perhaps the day will come?
"Fair? Sensible? Practical?"

No, as it completely misses the point of what's changed. We are no longer a socialist society. We were when students were given grants.

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