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Wednesday 11 May 2011

Verity Murphy | 12:23 UK time, Wednesday, 11 May 2011

Here is what we are planning for tonight's programme:

As Syrian security forces continue a nationwide crackdown on weeks of anti-government protests, tonight we ask why the West is doing so little in the face of allegations of mass killings and imprisonment.

Also, Alex Salmond's dream of an independent Scotland may not come to fruition and even if it does it is still a long way off, but if it is did happen what would an independent Scotland look like? Jackie Long is digging through what the SNP has said in the past and will be reporting from Edinburgh tonight.

Lyse Doucet has a film on the ambivalent attitude of Pakistanis towards Bin Laden.

And we look at the phenomenon of Slut Walks - is this a wise response to the offensive comments of a Canadian policeman, and can the word "slut" be reclaimed? We will be discussing.


Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    There are people flocking to Bin Laden's old house in Abbotabad already!



    There are plenty of people who supported Bin Laden and his cause, so it's not a surprise that there is ambivalence in Pakistan. We saw on last week's show how how Anjem Choudhury did not support the assasination of Bin Laden........

    I fully back the Slutwalks - rape is a crime by the perpetrator, not the victim.

  • Comment number 2.

    THE FIRST DRINK IS AN ACT OF NEGLIGENCE (#1)

    The first drink, in insecure circumstances, is an act of negligent folly.

    The first drink in an insecure environment, where men are drinking too, is an act of indefensible, negligent nihilism.


    The second drink compounds the above, yet the first drink diminishes judgement regarding the taking of the second.

    Another?

  • Comment number 3.

  • Comment number 4.

    Looks like a slut walk being arranged right up the muddle of Barrie and Co

  • Comment number 5.

  • Comment number 6.

    Forbes - US Gold standard within 5 years



    Something people like Keiser has said for ages !

    "A return to the gold standard by the United States within the next five years now seems likely, because that move would help the nation solve a variety of economic, fiscal, and monetary ills, Steve Forbes predicted during an exclusive interview this week with HUMAN EVENTS."

  • Comment number 7.

  • Comment number 8.

    'can the word "slut" be reclaimed?'

    By whom? For what purpose?

    History does however seem now littered with words that acquire meanings that in turn can find they are 'embraced' for good or ill, and then further propelled pretty much beyond the lexicon.

    Maybe soon we might see a charity formed that turns into a quango, with all sorts of well paid folk whose main function is to get on TV programmes to opine, whilst another aspect of life gets popped in a box and filed away.

    Just so long as I don't have to pay for it, as well, fine... eh.

  • Comment number 9.

  • Comment number 10.

    AT LAST - A HUMANE BULLET (#5)

    Now we can kill Johnnie Foreigner with a clear conscience. What do you mean: "we already were"?

    In passing: Did I spot subliminal militaristic messages in the 'fairytale' wedding? Is that permitted?

    That hollow bullet - is it like a misfortune cookie?

  • Comment number 11.

  • Comment number 12.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 13.

    WHEN CARS COLLIDE (#11)

    1st man: "You shortarse slaphead, learn to drive."
    2nd man: "Keep your poncy shirt on, four-eyes, maybe you need stronger lenses?
    1st man: Shut it lofty, those gap-teeth are frightening the horses.
    2nd man: They got a whiff of your aftershave more like *

    * Up to this point the police would not be interested. But guess what No2 says next . . .

    The Ape Confused by Language needs wisdom to cope. It is in short supply.

  • Comment number 14.

    The first year of the coalition government: 'the year of misinformation'?

  • Comment number 15.

    YOU CAN LEAD A VOTER TO DATA BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIM THINK (#14)

    Politicians hardly need to misinform, so dumb are the recipients.

    When the son marries a tart, or the daughter shacks up with a waster, the parents are SO VERY AWARE; they worry what the future will bring. But those same parents, presented with Dave's 'tarted' face on a 'cult of personality' poster, will blithely vote for him with, seemingly, no thought of what it's employment means for the future of a whole nation.

    If they hear that the daughter’s waster has lied to get a loan, they are anguished, yet the lies of the NO Campaign just wash over them - as 'POLITICS'.

    A new 1984 has dawned - has it not?

  • Comment number 16.

  • Comment number 17.


    Serious demonstrations in Greece :-





    To all my Greek relatives THE way to deal with the banks is to remove your money and demand new ones free of scams and demand that your country default whole or partial and take back your currency. Otherwise you give in to the devil . No need for any violence at all.

  • Comment number 18.

  • Comment number 19.

    given the carry on in the bbc religion and ethics department reported in private eye one wonders what the official bbc definition of 'wise' is?

  • Comment number 20.

    The Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú seem to almost enjoy reporting on the break up of our Country/Nationstate, and in which the whole reason why the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú exists. So if there is any crumb from what would be complete humiliation in showing the world we failed in keeping our Country and same race (the Briton) together, and myths and false hoods take precedent, it would be that the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú, for what it has become, an anti British, pro EU organization (not an institution), will cease to exist. Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú should certainly be dissolved, because pretending nothing really terrible has happenend, and it's business as usual, would be an even bigger insult to what was a fantastic Country, as if it was of no value. So if the unthinkable ever happened, it's bye bye Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú, not replaced by something similar, and with the same presenters etc.

  • Comment number 21.

    Outstanding Jeremy tonight - particularly with Slaughter et al on Syria, and with Sturgeon on Scottish Independence. Also excellent debate on the Slutwalks, with Margolis winning the debate hands down :o)

    Poor Lyse gets all the glamourous locations!

  • Comment number 22.

    NOT IN OUR NAME (#20)

    Gilligangate was the writing on the wall for me. We need a pirate radio, or its equivalent on the internet. Radio 4 now puts gunfire behind historical reporting on WWII. I can't take much more. Paxman's barking at Nicola Sturgeon was pathetic, and Kirsty's vocalisation is surreal.

  • Comment number 23.

    THE ELEPHANT JUST STOOD THERE - PROBABLY TERRIFIED

    (Previously posted on wrong thread.)

    The Slut wrangle ran its course, without one mention of alcohol or 'releasers of sexual behaviour'. Do the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú not use researchers any more?



    I could write a little piece, but opinionated women know far more about men than I ever will (heard Bea Campbell today). I know my place.

  • Comment number 24.

    Manchester IS the greatest city. And heres one for you to chew over. Its high number of artists and musicians is due to the near constant rain. Bad weather equals kids sitting in the house with nothing better to do but strum guitars and getting creative. Stirling is the second best city, but for different reasons (was once a town)..I just hope president Salmond doesn't spoil it.

  • Comment number 25.

    If whatserface Margolis really is that bothered about young women being sexually assertive, why wasn't she sounding off about helping them assert their right NOT to have sex, which must be ever more difficult in our increasingly sexualised society, when girls are made to feel like freaks if they don't wear hooker shoes and barely-there clothes, and having sex with someone is made out to be be no bigger a deal than sharing a pizza with them? The nation's young men should be grateful to her though: once they only had: "You would if you loved me..." "If we don't, my nads will explode, or the sperm will flow back and poison me or something...", "My ex-girlfriend always would..." and "I'll tell everyone you're frigid." Now they can try: "You're letting down the sisterhood if you don't assert your right to be sexually aggressive by having sex with me, and you're also telling everyone that you think it's OK for a woman to be raped for what she wears."

  • Comment number 26.

    'Lyse Doucet has a film on the ambivalent attitude of Pakistanis towards Bin Laden.'

    "Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?" with David Ray Griffin. Interview from 2009

  • Comment number 27.

    Independence for Scotland, England and Sluts

    One desirable result of an independent Scotland (together with more powers to Wales, and the shift in votes in Northern Ireland to Sinn Fein) would surely be a more independent England.

    We are no longer Great Britain or a united kingdom, and the term British conveys no real meaning. We may even regain a small measure of patriotism if we could share some national culture and customs. But common ground seems unlikely in a failed multicultural environment in which some women choose (or are ‘required’) to cover up whilst others go for maximum revelation.

    Not what Blake had in mindin his Book of Revelations vision of a new Heaven in England?

  • Comment number 28.

    SCHOOL SCHOOL SCHOOL (modified Blair credo) DOES NOT LEAD TO AWARENESS (#27)

    But then - would Westminster be able to run us ragged, in the current manner, if we were aware? Blair had a deep instinct for manipulation as a means of control. St Tony set the seal on iniquity.

    Women are under the impression that they are freeing themselves from men. They are UNAWARE that they are, actually, submitting to A MALE ETHOS, foisted on them by woe-men. Successive generations of reinforcing feedback, progressively, erase The Feminine, such that our male culture appears normal; though some must still FEEL the loss.

    AND MEN SHALL WEEP

  • Comment number 29.

    Was just out cruising about in my car getting away from stuff and happened to listen in on an interview Martha Kearney was doing with Martin Sorrell, Gillian Tett and some other guy on commodity speculation. Have some time for Tett but why doesn't the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú interview people who really know whats going on ? Sorrell doesn't want regulation and doesn't think speculation causes volatility (in the long run) this reflects someone who frankly knows nothing or is determined to not face up to the affect of unregulated naked credit default swaps, high frequency trading or the ability of authorities to rig the market (ala the silver market most recently) very quickly to cause, well, terrible volatility and pain and destruction to individuals small players companies large companies and whole countries. If Martin Sorrel reads this maybe he would like to click on my name and look back at some of the video interviews Ive posted to understand some of the facts of this extremely serious matter .

  • Comment number 30.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 31.

    #29

    'Sorrell doesn't want regulation and doesn't think speculation causes volatility (in the long run) this reflects someone who frankly knows nothing or is determined to not face up to the affect of unregulated naked credit default swaps, high frequency trading or the ability of authorities to rig the market...'


    THE THIRD BROTHER

    Sorrell's a free-market anarchist. Anarchists are deregulators (i.e. without rule), as regulations are bad for business.

    He is a Chicago/Austrian School anarchist who worships deregulation and promotes egalitarianism + caveat emptor. He is a socialist international (aka a cosmopolitan).

    Take look at his listing on Wiki.

  • Comment number 32.

    #30 off topic you say moderators ? Errrr its very much related to #29 plus most of the reason I post on here, and an extremely important report spoken about .

  • Comment number 33.

    sorrel doesn't want regulation of any kind...it affects profits and we cannot have that can we....what Philistines!

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