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Pigeons
Pigeons are legally classed as vermin, therefore, when their number
become unacceptably high they should be shot. They carry diseases
which can kill humans .
nick
manchester |
Should
we kill all the pigeons?
The various opinions here are all fine, but some of you are missing
the point.
1. Domestic pigeons are not the problem - they are generally cleaner,
and don't infest the Market Square in Nottingham (and that is the
theme of this topic, folks!)
2. I very much doubt that anyone *seriously* wants all the pigeons
gone, just their numbers reduced.
3. The problem is not pigeons per se, it's the people who discard
litter and those who feed them. I say we have litter patrols, fine
offenders who drop rubbish, and also deter people from feeding the
aerial rats.
4. This is Nottingham's Old Market Square we're talking about, not
some American continental city. Let's look for *local* solutions to
our own local problems, eh?
Kevin Weedon
Nottingham |
Pigeons
dropping in
As if it isn't enough clearing the dog, cat and hedgehog dirt from
my lawn every time we want to cut the grass! Now a neighbour has installed
a flock of 15 pigeons in his back garden in the middle a residential
area. Don't blame the pigeons when they turn up in the city centre.
julie sharrock
cheshire, UK |
Pigeons
Annoying, worthless, senseless flying vermin. That's what pigeons
are. However I have another bone to pick now. Reading most of the
letters here I am at a loss to find any reason why I should maintain
faith in humanity. We have religious zelots claiming we're doing
the Lords work in killing them, and some other individual who tells
us that "our pidgeon in the old market square" are "even bigger
than London pidgeons" Am I the only one not to feel a gush of moronic
pride? I'm now rather inclined to say, "what the hell...let the
pigeons stay, in fact introduce more of them...they have to be better
than the illiterate shower of cretins that have taken the time to
voice their meaningless opinions here!"
Kris
Nottingham
in reply...
Kris - speak for yourself.
Miss Pelt
Nottm
|
don't
kill the pigeons!
If we wipe out pideons, We will have done our Lord's job for him.
That's like telling your great-great-great-grandcild to add a pinch
of salt to the soup, and they add the whole box of laundy detergent
instead. There is only one person who would do such a thing as to
kill all pigeons. The Devil. If we try to more like God, then let's
not take one leap backwards. Let ALL of creation, even mosqitoes,
become extinct on their own, no matter how pesky.
unknown
nottellingville,U.S.A. |
enviromental
chain
If pigeons die, one food sourse goes away for the rat. If the rats
wipe out, the racoon has just lost two food sourses. If racoons wipe
out, the snake just lost three sourses. if snake die out, the eagle
has just lost four food sourses. If the eagle becomes extinct, America
has just become the laughing stock of the world. People in other countries
be saying "America dumb! they kill bird! no bird kill racoon, no racoon
kill snake, no snake kill symbol!" Then, russia would invaid us, steal
our knowledge, build a satalite, take Cuba with them, and blow the
world to bits. All because some little %6!3^$@= got rid of a pest.
top secret
RUSSIA WILL DO IT! |
pigeons
one of the several ideas put forward in the past to get rid of the
pesky pigeons was to use hawks. This was decried by people yelling
"think of the children" in the normally woolly brained way mass mobs
do. Yes think of the children. life is far to soft nowadays. Teach
the children what life is really like with a wonderful air display
by beautiful hawks swooping down gracefully and eviscerating the vermin.
I think it would be a good crowd puller and would boost tourism.
Jack
Nottingham |
Should
we kill the pigeons?
Pluck em' and roast for about 20 mins a lb. Season with sage and onion,
and serve with whatever vegetables you fancy. Mind, done wi a curry
is really tasty.
Billy Bunter
Nottingham |
YOU
DISGUSTING SELFISH FRIEKS!
I've got a lot of comments. Corrine,Miss America, Sikander Naomi,Wirral,
and other people who agree with me, well congragulations, Your'e not
a disgisting,pathetic, selfish,friek. BRAVO!!!. Jennifer, Bobbie,
Joe, I agree with you. Humans are worse than any creature when it
comes to waste. Whos killing the coral reefs, whos waisting all of
earth's natural resources for convenience, whos polluting and killing
earth and everything on it? If anyone should be slaughtered it should
be us. Everybody thinks everything revolves around us.(which by the
way has been proven wrong) You think we have every right to go out
and shoot whatever we feel like. Go shoot your self and see what it
feels like, before you automatically turn to violence like any typical
human would. Your'e prpbably thinking I don't know what it's like,
being around pigeons. My neighbors raise pigeons and Iv'e had my share
of poop. Yet I don't think I have the right to go out and slaughter
them. I can deal with it and so can you, who seem to enjoy having
something to complain about and feeling superior over other creatures.
Your'e pathetic simple minded jerks. By the way Dolly, I'm glad someone
tries to get rid of their problems without violence, Darren I guess
eating pigeon eggs isn't worse than eating chicken eggs, but doing
it out of pure hate and laughing about it shows how disgusting you
are, Frank, you blame it all on America, well funny, but didn't you
notice that all but one entry from America were against pigeon killing?
And that one American, you shame us You ovbiously haven't been to
America or you'd know most Americans are gainst this kind of behavior
and treat animals better than most places. So stop blaming all the
worlds disgusting problems on us. Well you disgusting selfish frieks,
this is what I think of you! @#%$&%^%$
Jessica
USA, America |
Pigeons
Just remember that pigeons have lived around mankind since they first
moved into built up areas looking for food. It is also pertinent to
point out that if we as humans weren't so disgusting and unsanitary
with our organic waste, we wouldn't be plagued with vermin of any
kind. I'm afraid you're trying to fight a battle that's been around
for centuries!!!!
Dave Stacey
Lincoln |
Should
we kill all the pigeons?
I live in pegion park and I hate the pigions. Iam on welfare and abuse
crack on the down east side of vancouver. I did bad in shcool lile
most people probly dos. the pigons poopey on me in the rain. Most
people hate the pigons because they understad me. Idont haev are no
what an email addtesss is. BUT EVERY ONE WHO HAATES PIGONS and BELIFES
THERE RATS THATT Fli must be just like me in every way and tthey must
under staand mee; exuuese the misss spelllde worlds untilll neckest
time I can youse a commuter at the librarey sinssoicly Kallen
Kallen Tillisen
East Vancouver, BC Canada |
Should
we kill all the pigeons?
U Guys Suck. I have pigeons and they are nice social birds.
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British Columbia |
pigeons
pigeons are flying rats. The people who feed pigeons are inconsiderate
of those people who live in the neighborhood and have to contend with
the dirt and filth and feces that their actions cause. The only thing
worse than pigeons are the misguided soles who feed them and cause
them to flock by the hundreds and victimize the rest of us.
Been Pooped on by Pigeons
New York/NY/USA |
Pigeons
I used to live in Victoria Centre flats, where you would think it
would be fairly safe to have the windows open seeing as I was on the
tenth floor. But No! The verminous creatures used to fly in, pinch
my food and then panic because they couldn't find their way back out
and c**p all over my flat!! I think the council should put a big net
across Market Square in the middle of the night, cover it in poisoned
crumbs and do away with the lot of them!!
Emily Wright
Ilkeston, Derbyshire. England |
Pigeon
Poop
I have a pigeon problem. I have a swimming pool and they come there
to drink. I don't mind them drinking, but they poop all over the cool
decking surrounding the pool. I've tried rubber snakes in the trees
but that only deters them for a couple of days. Any ideas?
Dolly
Phoenix, AZ USA |
pidgeons
vermin. lets hope the council are brave enough to rid them from the
city streets. mind you has any one ever seen a baby pidgeon.atre they
hatched fully formed
Granny Annie
Nottingham |
Pigeons
I spent some of the happiest years for my life living in nottingham
until Pigeons ruined my life. The result, I had to move to France
to get away from the bast**d things. See i love skateboarding, and
the fights there used to be between gangs of Nottingham pigeons and
the local skate scene got just to heavy for me. France doesn't have
that much going for it compared to Nottingham but at least there are
no BL**DY PIGEONS Tonestar Chamonix (Ex Nottm) France
Tonestar
Chamonix |
pigeons
'the best bird'
i think pigeons should live their own life out there and all u people
who hate them and want to kill them well i think u should die coz
they have a life that the god gave them and they should live it
sikander chaudhry
toronto,on,canada |
I glad you asked the question about killing Pigeons,questions like
this and the responce to them show the rest of the world what a sick
lot of people live in the UK. It's watching too much TV from the USA
that is doing it!
Frank Murney
Newry, N.Ireland |
Yes. Kill them all they are horrible, they are vermin and they make
a most unhealthy mess in and around the City Centre.
Jayne Flint
Nottingham |
They'll love it once the tram is running - all those lovely new overhead
cable perches to sit on!. It'll be like the swallows lining up to
go home. (perhaps if the wires were earthed for just a moment ?)......
bert fegg
notts |
Yes. Kill them. They are evil.
Darren Davidson
London |
I hate them, I'm from Newcastle and we fry their eggs and eat them.
Hahaha.
Darren
Newcastle |
I think all these pigeons should be shot. They're dirty, smelly, they
attract sharks, they attract enemy fire, they can't swim, they're
rude and they excrete all over my lovely clean washing which I hang
on my line. B*st*rds
Malcolm Jones
Nottingham |
I actually roam the parks of London looking for pigeons. With the
price of chicken breasts being what they are today I find that pigeon
is a similar tasting alternative. I normally knock them out with a
bottle (quickly accross the back of the head) take them home 5 or
6 a week and clean them, as you would a normal chicken. They taste
great when used with "Chicken Tonight".
Charles Watson-Smith
London, UK. |
should all
pigeons be killed
i think its a hateful thing that we are thinking of killing pigeons.no
one thinks of goin and killing a person if he sh**s on the road.
so why
are pigeons made prey to this rule.
firstly,a pigeon
is living,what right do we have to decide if it should die or not.secondly,u
cant kill something because it spreads some disease.humans also
spread so many.that dosent mean that they should be either gassed,or
shot.
AND ANYONE WHO
WANTS TO SHOOT PIGEONS SHOULD TRY GETTING SHOT AND SEE HOW IT FEELS
LIKE.
Naomi
india
|
pigeons r nothing but rats with wings, they do my head in while tring
to eat my dinner on the market square coming round begging for food
and making me feel sick while looking at them and trying to shoo them
away. some look terible with feet mising etc.put an end to this please
Gavin Hammond
Nottingham |
All i am sayin is that u wouldnt like it if someone came up to u and
shot u 4 n0 reason. My sister is really anoyin but i dont shoot her
every time she gets in the way do i!
wirral |
i luv um so no one in the world should complain about them they dont
bother u do they
a pigion fan
liverpool |
Vermin!
This is my second try at a post on this topic, here i go again! Lots
of people here are talking about getting rid of the problem with guns,
throwing cats in the air and low flying jet planes, but, why not just
feed the wee blighters baking soda wrapped in bread? Once they swallow,
pun intended, they explode! It also works with seagulls! I'm a veggy
by the way for 13 years. Look forward to the effects
Colin"Summerbreeze"Gould
nottingham |
pigeons
are quite intelligent birds. Surely they could be trained to collect
McDonalds wrappers & drinks cartons for a food reward. The food would
of course have to be more inviting than the stuff they were collecting.
They could in theory also be trained to inspect car tax discs, leaving
a calling card on the windscreen if no tax were found. They could
also monitor the bus lanes and coo when a car or taxi went in them.
Columba palumbus
nottm |
Train
them to fly in formation over the city spelling out the new Nottingham
Forest commentary on Saturday afternoons. That way all the sighted
people in the city could be claimed as listeners! Greg will be delighted
and it'll be more reliable than Raja figures.
Phil Marshall
Nottingham |
I
find it funny that you don't find any need for a debate and then give
your wiew on the subject which is very one sided and bigotted.The
comment you made "They are unwelcome in Nottingham..."is
even more of a laugh.If they are not welcome in you city why don't
you tell them that and see where that get's you.Look forward to your
reply.
gerard brady
|
Kill them all
they are vermin!!
Clare Lassetter
Nottingham, Endland
|
Please could
you tell me how long Pigeons nest when they are young.You never
seem to see a small Pigeon,nor do you see the big Pigeons fly away
with food to feed there young.Many Thank's.
Gerard Brady
|
I think not
all pigeons should be shot because they are cleaner than some people.
Shall we shoot all litterbugs, vandals and homeless people for despoiling
our streets, or is this just being stupid? Surely humans should
know better so lets give them the same treatment being advocated
for the pigeons. Show some compassion or keep your stupid comments
to yourself.
Bobby-Joe
Hull
|
Leave them alone
- they might be a bit of a nuisance, slightly untidy,have a few
germs, be a bit messy and there's more than a few of them - but
- LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
Jennifer
Newark, Nottingham
|
I think we should
get rid of the pigeons by feeding them mouldy old dough...
Lieutenant Pigeon
Nottingham
|
A short article
by the master of controversy. It is a little known fact to the public
at large that racing pigeons and their owners played a major role
during wartime towards the eventual peace. Pigeons were deemed to
be of such importance that special services were set up by military
commanders for the purpose of news relay and espionage. Whilst radio
transmissions could be intercepted - the pigeon went silently with
speedy efficiency. Barely a single aircraft left base without their
trusty pigeons in case of mishap, and ground troops used them to
fullest potential from points behind enemy lines. One wonderful
account is given on www.boglinmarsh.fsnet.co.uk/mather.htm" Boglin
Marsh Portal via the pen of the late Captain W. Mather who served
with the Indian Pigeon Service which was just one of many that were
active in various theatres of war. Pigeons braved all seasons and
conditions to bring the vital messages through - they were flown
over oceans, deserts and even through the densest of jungle. They
carried photographic equipment for survey purposes of enemy troop
movement or armament cache - they were even used to disable enemy
searchlights when missions were in progress. The Middle East Pigeon
Service started with 6 birds, during January 1942; developed large
breeding lofts on the edge of the desert at Digla, Cairo, under
Lt.-Col. Hollingworth C.S.O. Pigeons and served the 8th Army in
North Africa and Italy. They also served the 9th Army and the R.A.F.
to develop the Nomad System (this was a two way system similar to
the Boomerang method and using mobile lofts) - on this system a
6 months old hen pigeon carried a message back to base from a distance
of 500 miles, 260 miles of which was over water. The Nomad System
was developed as an alternative to parachuting pigeons into isolated
areas. The pigeon was trained to leave an aircraft at 1,000 feet
and recognise a marked basket in a field or open area, then pitch
into it, returning to its home loft later with a message attached.
It was used in the Middle East and also the Ruhr area (see 'Ruhr
Express' - trained on this method) The Indian Pigeon Service used
the Boomerang System, where pigeons were trained to fly both ways
between two lofts - one to feed, the other to nest and were able
to do this and navigate through dense jungle over 25-30 miles and
behind enemy lines in Burma or Malaya. Some of these lofts recorded
over 1,000 successful flights with message carrying pigeons and
the true value was in the number of lives that were not placed into
positions of further risk, due to the valuable information obtained.
There were secret Pigeon Services in France Maquis), Holland, Belgium
and Denmark, where those involved risked death for keeping pigeons.
These also supplied vital information of enemy troop movements etc.
Other valuable service was rendered by American, Canadian, New Zealand
and Australian Pigeon Services (see below) The Dickin Medal ~ The
recipients and the citations: ALL ALONE' - NURP 39 SDS 39 - Awarded
February 1946. "For delivering an important message in one day over
a distance of 400 miles while serving with the NPS in August 1943
'BILLY' NU41 HQ 4373'' - Awarded August 1945. "For delivering a
message from a force-landed bomber while in a state of complete
collapse and under exceptionally bad weather conditions, while serving
with the RAF in 1942." 'BROAD ARROW' - 41 2793 - Awarded October
1945. "For bringing important messages from enemy occupied country
three times, viz: May 1943, June 1943 and August 1943 while serving
with the Special Service from the Continent. ' BEACH COMBER' - NPS
41 4230 - Awarded March 1944. "For bringing the first news to this
country of the landing at Dieppe under hazardous conditions in September
1942, while serving with the Canadian Army 'COLOGNE' - NURP 39 NPS
144 - Awarded "For homing from a crashed aircraft over Cologne although
seriously wounded, while serving with the RAF in 1943." 'COMMANDO'
- NURP 38 EGU 242 - Awarded March 1945. "For successfully delivering
messages from agents n occupied France on three occasions: twice
under exceptionally adverse conditions, while serving with the NPS
in 1942." 'DUKE OF NORMANDY' - NURP 41 SBC 219 - Awarded January
1947. "For being the first bird to arrive with a message from Paratroops
of 21st Army Group behind enemy lines on D Day June 6th 1944, while
serving the APS." ' DUTCH COAST' - NURP 41 A 2164 - Awarded March
1945. "For delivering an SOS from a ditched Air Crew close to the
enemy coast 288 miles distant in 7.5 hours, under very unfavourable
conditions, while serving with the RAF in April 1942 'DD 43 TQ 879'
(Australian Army Signals Corps - AwardedFebruary 1947. "During an
exceptionally heavy tropical storm, June 1945, Army Boat 1402 foundered
on Wardour Beach in the Heron Gulf. This pigeon was released with
the message 'Engine failed washed on Beach Wardour owing to heavy
seas. Send help immediately. Craft rapidly filling with sand.' The
pigeon homed to Madang through heavy rain, 40 miles in 50 minutes.
As a result a rescue ship was sent to the craft and a valuable cargo
salvaged. The bird flew 23 operations totalling 1004 miles 'GI JOE'
- USA 43 SC 6390 - Awarded 1946. "This bird is credited with making
the most outstanding flight by a US Army Pigeon in World War II.
Making the 20 miles flight from British 10th Army HQ, in the same
number of minutes, it brought a message which arrived just in time
to save the lives of at 100 allied soldiers from being bombed by
their own planes 'GUSTAV' - NPS 42 31066 - Awarded September 1944.
"For delivering the first message from the Normandy Beaches from
a ship off the beach-head while serving with the RAF on June 6th
1944 'KENLEY LASS' - NURP 36 JH 190 - Awarded March 1945. "For being
the first pigeon to be used with success for secret communications
from an agent in enemy-occupied France while serving with the NPS
in October 1920 'MERCURY' - NURP 37 CEN 335 - Awarded August 1946.
"For carrying out a special task involving a flight of 480 miles
from Northern Denmark while serving the Special Section of the Army
Pigeon Service in July 1942 'MARY' - NURP 40 WCE 249 - Awarded November
1945. "For outstanding endurance on War Service in spite of injury."
'MAQUIS' - NPS NS 36392 - Awarded October 1945. "For bringing important
messages three times from an enemy occupied country, viz: May 1943
(Amiens), February 1944(Combined Operations) and in June 1944 (French
Maquis) while serving with the Special Service from the Continent."
'NAVY BLUE' - NPS 41 NS 2X62 - Awarded March 1945. "For delivering
an important message from a Raiding Party on the West Coast of France,
although injured, while serving with the RAF in June 1944 NURP 43
CC 1414- Awarded January 1947. "For the fastest flight with a message
from 6th Airborne Division Normandy, 7th June 1944, while serving
with APS." NPS 42 NS 278- Awarded October 1945. " For bringing important
messages three times from an enemy occupied country, viz: July 1942,
August 1942 and April 1943, while serving with the Special Service
from the Continent NPS 42 NS 7524 - Awarded October 1945. " For
bringing important messages three times from an enemy occupied country,
viz: May 1943 and July 1943, while serving with the Special Service
from the Continent 'PADDY' - NPS 43 9451 - Awarded September 1944.
"For the best recorded time with a message from the Normandy Operations
while serving with the RAF in June 1994 'PRINCESS' -43 WD 593 -
Awarded May 1946. "Sent on a special mission to Crete, this pigeon
returned to her loft (RAF Alexandria) having travelled about 500
miles mostly over sea, with most valuable information. One of the
finest performances in the war record of the Pigeon Service 'PIGEON'
- NURP 38 BPC 6 - Awarded August 1946. "For three outstanding flights
from France while serving with the Special Section of the Army Pigeon
Service 11th July 1941, 9th September 1941 and 29th November 1941
'RUHR EXPRESS' - NPS 43 29018 - Awarded May 1945. "For carrying
an important message from the Rhur Pocket in excellent time, while
serving with the RAF in April 1945 'SCOTCH LASS' - NPS 42 21610
- Awarded June 1945. "For bringing 38 microphotographs across the
North Sea in good time although injured, while serving with the
RAF in Holland in September 1944 'TYKE' - 1263 MEPS 43 - Awarded
December 1943. " For delivering a message under exceptionally difficult
conditions and so contributing to the rescue of an Air Crew while
serving with the RAF in The Mediterranean in June 1943 'TOMMY' -
NURP 41 DHZ 56 - Awarded February 1946. "For delivering valuable
messages from Holland to Lancashire under difficult conditions,
while serving with the NPS in July 1942." 'WINKIE' - NEHU 40 NSI
- Awarded December 1943. " For delivering a message under exceptionally
difficult conditions, and so contributing to the rescue of an Air
Crew while serving with the RAF in February 1942. WILLIAM OF ORANGE'
- Awarded May 1945. "For delivering a message from the Arnhem Airborne
Operation in record time for any single pigeon, while serving with
the APS in September 1944." This pigeon was released at 4.30am with
an important despatch and performed the unequalled feat of covering
260 miles - 135 of them over sea in 4 hours 25 minutes to his home
loft. The flying speed was therefore 1740 yards per minute, nearly
60 miles per hour, showing great endurance and determination. 'WHITE
VISION' - Awarded December 2nd 1943. "For delivering a message under
exceptionally difficult conditions and so contributing to the rescue
of an air crew while serving with the RAF in October 1943." A flying-boat
had to ditch off the Hebrides at 8.20 one morning. Sea-rescue operations
were hindered by very bad weather and air search was impossible
because of thick mist. At 5pm that afternoon White Vision arrived
at her loft with a message giving the position of the ditched aircraft
and as a result the search was resumed, the aircraft sighted and
rescue of the crew effected. White Vision had flown 60 miles over
heavy seas against a head wind of 25 miles an hour with visibility
only a hundred yards at the place of release and three hundred yards
at the place of arrival. Perhaps the 麻豆官网首页入口 should make a Documentary
about these Heroic Pigeons?
Spinksy
Blackpool, England
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I think we should
get rid of all the people that complain about pigeons, they are
so unpleasant to listen to. Maybe we should take all the people
that are intolerent of other living things other than themselves,
and send them in a rocket into outer space, so they wont have to
live with animals anymore, sounds fair to me. The thing that makes
me laugh sometimes, is how people complain about pigeon's feces,
our feces pollutes the earth far more, and could probably fill skyscrapers
continuously for years, so please, dont complain to me about pigeon
feces, I dont want to hear it. We are the most selfish and stupid
animals in some ways in the world, not to mention, the most destructive
of all... What a joke, to worry about pigeons, I can think of alot
more important things in the world , yes they are large in numbers
sometimes, so aren't people , but that's okay, I say get rid of
the intolerant people, or learn how to be more tolerant of other
living things besides! y! ourself.
KarenP
Cambridge, MA USA
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I love them,
i got people to sign patitions to save the pigeons in my park, they
are my favorite animal and I am so happy i have so many here in
New York!
Sara
New York, US
|
I have pigeons
and there like family to me! they'er so-o-o-o smart! Almost all
my pigeons are diferint breeds. One of my pigeons plays with toys
and even thinks a tennis ball is his baby. He is the smallest one
and thinks he's the boss. He has fluffy feet.
So in conclusion pigeons do have fellings too. Don't even think
about touching a pigeon without messing with me first!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go pich on someone your own size you #5%!&*^8
Miss AMERICA
|
Our pidgeon
in the Old Market Square are the biggest in Britain. They are even
bigger than the London pidgeons. They are only birds doing what
comes naturally so why shoot them. If you start shooting the birds
because they shit and breeds, what's next to go wild cats and dogs.
What are people gonna do, shoot those too. They people who say shoot
the birds have no compassion for any living thing.
Corinne Graehame
Bulwell, Nottingham, Notts,
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