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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Darren M Tibbs (U16246826) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I understand that keeping politically correct within the programming on the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is a priority. But remember the thing that makes the series Top Gear so entertaining is the fact that the presenters are so very different which in an odd way it compliments the show. The fact that Mr Clarkson makes inappropriate comments sometimes makes him fallible. Real if you like! This is a quality and makes a talking point. I believe he is not a racist nor sexist. Just good at what he does which in some cases annoys people. Please, Please. Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú don't cut off you nose to spite your face. It takes a wide spectrum of personalities to make a TV station work. Don't change! Evolve and in time all this will be retired to the vaults in aunties basement as did Peter Cook, Dudley Moore, Spike Milligan etc. all politically incorrect with some of the material broadcast. But all geniuses. Top Gear is one of the most successful programmes on TV. I am currently working in Saudi and the middle east and everyone loves the show. The format works. Don't change it. Regard Darren
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Message 2
Posted by Paul Sherratt (U1632637) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
>> I am currently working in Saudi and the middle east and everyone loves the show
Particularly, I expect, all those women drivers ? -
Message 3
Posted by The Man Who Watched Telly (U15436784) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
He hasn't said anything politically incorrect, its alleged he punched another human being, bit of a difference.
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Message 4
Posted by Dee_host (U15846799) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Particularly, I expect, all those women drivers?Ìý
Thanks for your comments, Darren
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Message 5
Posted by jane (U16246952) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
If Clarkson has hit someone its not up to the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú to decide how to punish him its up to the police, assuming the victim presses charges.
Suspend him. Stop his salary, if its legal but to remove the programme is ridiculous and punishes fans of the show and the rest of the team.
Where are they going to stop? Will they pull all the repeats and sales to other countries? I doubt it so there will have to be a climbdown. -
Message 6
Posted by Annie-Lou est Charlie (U4502268) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I think you are behind the times Mr Tibbs (quite an ironic name in the circs!) Though previous broo-ha-has have been about causing offense, I believe the current one is a question of alleged assault.
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Message 7
Posted by NigelSM (U16247413) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Clarkson makes the show what it is and he is the principal 'star' most people enjoy watching. To suspend him and the show over an altercation between him and a producer implies an arrogance unworthy of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú. After all, the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is not a martial organisation and the implication that the producer is a 'senior officer' being punched by a 'junior' is absurd, pompous and conceited. Essentially, two people fell out and they should sort it out themselves or one (ie the producer) should walk away, the Corporation and the programme are bigger than to become involved in this. But, it seems, the viewers (that is, the licence payer or to be more specific, the people who pay your salaries) are to suffer whilst the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú ties itself in silly knots. Grow up!
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Message 8
Posted by johnboy (U15907135) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Clarkson makes the show what it is and he is the principal 'star' most people enjoy watching. To suspend him and the show over an altercation between him and a producer implies an arrogance unworthy of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú. After all, the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is not a martial organisation and the implication that the producer is a 'senior officer' being punched by a 'junior' is absurd, pompous and conceited. Essentially, two people fell out and they should sort it out themselves or one (ie the producer) should walk away, the Corporation and the programme are bigger than to become involved in this. But, it seems, the viewers (that is, the licence payer or to be more specific, the people who pay your salaries) are to suffer whilst the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú ties itself in silly knots. Grow up!Ìý I think JC should grow up.
If I had punched my boss when I was working I would have expected disciplinary action.
Bearing in mind many young people watch this programme, do you condone young students punching their teachers when they have a difference of opinion. Or should they go outside and sort it out.
If professional sportsmen are caught settling an argument with their fists they are dealt with accordingly by their sports body
What these presenters must realise is how much influence they have on the younger viewers and that includes some of the crazy driving tactics all 3 of them take part in all for a laugh.
Yes TG is a very popular programme so don't blame the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú for taking drastic action. JC caused the problem and he has to learn he cant settle an argument with force. -
Message 9
Posted by NigelSM (U16247413) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Your point is fair in principle but I take issue with the comparison between 'young student and teacher'. Clarkson, indeed any presenter, cannot be - or, my point is, should not be considered 'junior' to production staff. This was an altercation (and we do not know what the producer did to provoke Clarkson) between two grown men IN PRIVATE (as in not on air) so the comparison between sportsmen is also unfair. If two sportsman have a fight in the dressing room, would we even hear about it? Let alone would the club suspend the next matches as a consequence. My comment about conceit is that the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú has publicised this and made a mountain out of a molehill which, to my mind, makes the Corporation more culpable that Clarkson in a rather 'holier than thou' way. My final point is 'is the producer really Clarkson's 'boss'?' What is Clarkson's role in the show, I believe he has a financial stake; maybe it is the other way around.
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Message 10
Posted by TalkingHead (U16175014) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Agree, this should not have been made public.
The Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is trying to kill the Goose that lays the Golden Egg.
I don't watch TG but I think JC is good at whatever he does. -
Message 11
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 12
Posted by TalkingHead (U16175014) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
We don't know the facts yet.
Don't exaggerate the situation.
What about sportsmen then and other people involved in a 'fracais'.
Does your view apply to anyone who may have over reacted in the heat of the moment. -
Message 13
Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I didn't actually state a view, I asked a question. And yes, I think the law applies to everybody no matter who they are.
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Message 14
Posted by je (U16247785) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
JC has the responsibility to behave in a civilised and respectful way, especially as he is a role model for many young people. It is alleged that he was physically aggressive to a colleague; if I had behaved in such a way to a fellow employee I would have been immediately suspended and very likely dismissed following an investigation. I believe violence of any sort does not fit within a civilised society. And let's put this in a wider context. JC was hungry - so? How many other people and groups in this world are constantly hungry without the option of fast foods and coffee shops within the locality? Well done Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú for taking a stand.
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Message 15
Posted by TalkingHead (U16175014) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I didn't actually state a view, I asked a question. And yes, I think the law applies to everybody no matter who they are.Ìý Was that question asked of just me or other posters on this thread?.
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Message 16
Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Ah sorry, it wasn't just to you but to everyone. I was just lazy and used the 'reply to' on your thread.
I should have made that plainer in the post, my apologies.
But the question is still relevant, I think. -
Message 17
Posted by TalkingHead (U16175014) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I think in the world of Showbiz and Entertainment there are probably lots of disagreements and conflicts and this should have been kept private unless it is a serious assault and the person(s) involved want to take it further.
The show could have gone on if they had both agreed to continue, we will have to wait to hear what really happened -
Message 18
Posted by GZ (U5310554) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I believe violence of any sort does not fit within a civilised society.
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Well there is boxing and judo and tae kwon do in the Olympics. Fencing is a form of a sword fight. Fighting is only penalised by 4 minutes in the box in ice hockey. Action movies with loads of gratuitous violence are amongst the highest grossing in terms of box office, rentals and DVD purchase. Many of the most popular video games are based around role play violence of some sort. And the occassional fight breaks out at the corner pub on a Friday night.
I'd say that violence is actually pretty entrenched in civilised society.
On occassion legal or punative action is taken when violence takes place between two or more people in the real world. It the majority of cases it is not. Agreements are struck behind the scenes. -
Message 19
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Message 20
Posted by GZ (U5310554) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (23 Hours Ago)
Seriously Mods? I asked a question about how far people are willing to let Clarkson go and you remove it? Really?
I didn't accuse anyone of anything, especially not Clarkson.
Honestly, the inconsistent moderation on this board is ridiculous.Ìý Dee was quite clear and specific in one of the other Top Gear threads that she was going to be hiding a lot of posts in various threads about this topic.
And she asked us all to please not question her moderation decisions as there would be a LOT of hidden posts.
posted by Dee
Hi everyone,
I'm on the thread and deleting messages I think are inappropriate.
As you can appreciate, this is a sensitive topic given that there is an ongoing investigation.
Let's not get into discussions about moderation, because then there will be lots of hidden posts.
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Message 21
Posted by nightowl12866 (U16248091) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (23 Hours Ago)
Top Gear is a huge show and the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú should be protecting the talent that makes it so successful not threatening them the way they have been with Mr. Clarkson. When a show is this big people are going to be offended by it but if the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú wants to ruin a really tremendous show just to be politically correct they are the biggest fools in the history of entertainment. Where I live the 3 hosts would be treated very well and I hope someone on this side of the pond signs the 3 of them up.
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Message 22
Posted by Paul Sherratt (U1632637) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (22 Hours Ago)
>>this side of the pond
Duck pond ? -
Message 23
Posted by SilverSurfer (U16204157) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (21 Hours Ago)
"If Clarkson has hit someone its not up to the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú to decide how to punish him its up to the police, assuming the victim presses charges.
Suspend him. Stop his salary, if its legal but to remove the programme is ridiculous and punishes fans of the show and the rest of the team.
Where are they going to stop? Will they pull all the repeats and sales to other countries? I doubt it so there will have to be a climbdown."
Spot on - stop being ridiculous Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú and don't cut off your nose to spite your face. -
Message 24
Posted by Annie-Lou est Charlie (U4502268) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (20 Hours Ago)
Clarkson makes the show what it is and he is the principal 'star' most people enjoy watching. To suspend him and the show over an altercation between him and a producer implies an arrogance unworthy of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú. After all, the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is not a martial organisation and the implication that the producer is a 'senior officer' being punched by a 'junior' is absurd, pompous and conceited. Essentially, two people fell out and they should sort it out themselves or one (ie the producer) should walk away, the Corporation and the programme are bigger than to become involved in this. But, it seems, the viewers (that is, the licence payer or to be more specific, the people who pay your salaries) are to suffer whilst the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú ties itself in silly knots. Grow up!Ìý What a strange way of looking at it! Personally I'd find it more repugnant if he hit someone very junior like a runner. I'll think you'll find that as the "star" Clarkson is not considered (by himself or anyone else on the team) to be "junior" to anyone on Top Gear. And that is probably the root of the problem.
The "star" can always pull rank and some of them (fortunately a minority) use their power to do this an a bullying way. You'd be amazed what I've seen some "stars" get away with in the West End. I know several wardrobe staff who've been assaulted by actors you're sure to have heard of, but its all hushed up. -
Message 25
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (18 Hours Ago)
It's very common now to encounter violence when going about the roads of Britain, especially from people who have themselves caused a problem ..... so no wonder so many think it's ok for JC to behave like a right diva and thump someone over a feeding problem. It's far more important they are not deprived of a reasonably entertaining, if now disappointingly predictable motoring-based show, full of very signposted gags and clumsily set-up stunts. Hahaha! goes Clarkson's dutiful trained studio-mob.
Road-rage and fisticuffs on the highway? Yeah .... Who cares?!! PC nonsense ..... sign the Jezza-Petition!! .....
Someone nearly mowed me down the other day and when I mildly objected they and their coven of witch-women threatened to attack me. Nice start to the day that was .....
Hammond and May could have taken over; an interesting comparative study that would have made. -
Message 26
Posted by Dee_host (U15846799) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (18 Hours Ago)
Hi everyone,
Thanks for your contributions to this discussion.
I'm going to have to start closing down Clarkson threads now because they are starting to take over the front page.
Here's a like to the original Top Gear thread:
Sorry, I wasn't planning to close this one because the OP is new to the board, but he hasn't been back and I'd like to contain the Top Gear discussions to slightly fewer threads than we have at the moment.
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